“The places where all the California Liberals moved to because they thought it’d be cool to live in the mountains.”
PROVE THAT STATEMENT! I get really tired of Californians getting the blame for everything bad that happens elsewhere. Supposedly, it’s the Conservatives who are flocking out of California to get away from the RATs, so how do they magically become RAT Liberals in that transition? I call BS! The Liberals are quite happy here in CA where they control the whole show, so why is it that the problem in Montana gets shoved of on people who like where they are living and don’t want to leave?
We’re Conservative Californians, and we’ve thought about moving back to my wife’s home state of Nevada. But she won’t go back to Las Vegas, because it’s a $hit hole, and we are too old to put up with the relatively hard winters up north. Ditto going to any of the other “Western Red States” for the same reason. So enough of this red herring about how it’s transplanted Californians who are f*cking up places line Montana! We can move to our own mountains without the effort of moving all the way to Montana. It’s simply a divisive lie and you know it!
You’re right of course. Moderate Republicans in droves are finding they like living on the dole, the hell with the rest and their children and grand children. They want their subsidies and grave just like the libs, and so the vote ...
Well first of all think about this. You are 65 years old you have a house in California that is worth $1 million if you sell it. In Montana you could buy a house for $300,000 and have 700,000 left over to take vacations with, maybe even by a little cottage in Florida on the beach so you don’t have to spend your winters in the cold. Have a good retirement life a lot cheaper than you could if you stayed in California. That’s what they do. And they take their politics with them.
Also I personally know people from California who are very liberal who spent October and November this year registering college students to vote in Nevada for the Democrats and that could’ve happened in Bozeman and Missoula quite easily. The Democrats know how to organize people to do this. These friends also went to Ohio one year. They go where they are needed and they put their money where their mouth is. They look at it is their patriotic duty.
Gotta disagree, vette.
I live in Montana and know firsthand of many, too damn many, from California that have moved here after soiling their own nest. Then they vote for sidewalks and streetlights, and higher taxes to support them, trying to turn Montana into the ***thole they just left.
I get really tired of people talking/posting about Montana that know nothing of it.
I’m guessing you live on pavement.
Are Conservative Californians that ones that ruined Denver, Boulder and Colorado, in general? Nope. Californians. Interestingly, since you’re still in California, it’s pretty consistent from commenters that are actually from Colorado, the ones that hunt and fish not ski and snowboard, that they’re the ones that say California Liberals have ruined the place.
A buddy of mine lives in Kalispel, Mont. When I asked him about it, his response: All the liberals in Bozeman and Missoula.
Bozeman has Montana State University. Missoula has the University of Montana.
If you’re a Conservative stuck in California, I hate it for you. But, you’re fellow Californians ruin every place they go. They are like locusts or the aliens in Independence Day.
https://www.idahostatesman.com/entertainment/ent-columns-blogs/words-deeds/article218210580.html .... this one says that the folks from idaho should be glad Californians are coming because they’re so much smarter than everyone else.
https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/article164420672.html
http://uk.businessinsider.com/californians-priced-out-move-to-idaho-2018-10?r=US&IR=T
I apologize, the massive influx of liberals is from Washington. With folks from California coming in 2nd. However, Washington used to be a great place, until it was overrun with radicals from California.
https://newwest.net/main/article/california_official_scapegoat_of_montana/
According to, xlcountry.com, they also say that Californians are #2. Either way, every place they migrate to ends up going down the drain.
... a divisive lie...
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Maybe, since it isn’t just the CA transplants. In my rural WI area, the problems/change come from MN,CO, WA, OR, NY, CA, the liberal urban areas of WI and IL. They congregate in rural districts, create an entire *culture* indistinguishable from the cities they left, attract more and more of like-minded people and within 10-30 years, the place is no longer conservative.
Taxes rise. Natives cannot afford the COL. After one generation, the new natives win local political office because they marry into the old families and are considered native.
Our property is for sale. I have yet to meet a conservative prospect. They are all very liberal and announce it in countless ways as they describe what they would like to change, like putting in a paved road across 80 hilly acres with creeks and springs for easier access. They announce that they will engage in prairie restoration when this land is already pristine and has not been farmed for 35 years. It never was prairie. It is a unique biome called the Driftless Area. They “intend to plant trees”, have the property managed by a property manager and maybe they will move on in retirement. Never mind we have over 40 acres of woodland, participate in managed forest programs and property managers are euphemisms for a side job for realtors who do nothing except contract for lawn mowing. They dismiss 1000 feet of national trout stream frontage because it is across a township road, not understanding that that separation insulates them from both the hordes of trendy out of state fishermen and the flooding that is a factor in living on a river.
They want gourmet kitchens and no more than 15 minutes from Culture (shops and boutiques and bistros). They push through indoor pools no one uses and cannot find grants for outdoor pools, so they scheme to do so. They have ruined our schools and their kids are the heart of the drug and petty crime epidemic. They want free trash hauling in a township that can no longer find employees to oversee the dump or recycling because the job pays only $15k/year. They hate the landfill, but force everyone to increase its usage. They want township driveway plowing and then sue the township every time a plow takes out a mailbox. They want a county plan to take care of them in any emergency, but do not ever present a viable approach to doing so.
They like wood fireplaces, but turn up their nose at efficient woodstoves and the work it takes to stack and cut fuel. They have no understanding of woodstove maintenance. They look blank when shown the transfer box and generator because the generator should be automatic. They have no idea of the consequences of a power outage during spring/summer floods and winter blizzards. Propane tanks are icky-looking and they want NG pipeline hookups, cheap.
I could go on, but will end with the fact that there are not enough tradesmen available on a minutes notice and everyone out here is forced to do all their own property maintenance, wait weeks for a plumber or electrician or make arrangements with neighbors. We exchange hunting privileges for snow removal and summer field/path mowing, but the prospects, so far, are against hunting. Wonder if they realize the deer and rabbits will decimate their expensive tree and prairie plantings?
We end up feeling like strangers in a place we have lived for 45 years. We are rethinking our plans because the urban liberal are incompetent to live on their own in the country in a northern climate.
If only the conservatives would move in, but they don’t. I guess the weather in CA and the conveniences of other urban areas are worth the price of living in rapidly devolving situations. The liberal DO NOT like the results of their ideology, but they do love their ideology. They just do not get the connection. They mutter about the crime and the filth and the congestion and the corruption, but do not understand that individual responsibility and moral fiber are what made our areas so attractive.