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Let Forest Fires Burn? What the Black-Backed Woodpecker Knows.A scientific debate is intensifying
DNC vetted then released by the NY Times ^ | Aug. 6, 2017 Yes 2017 | Justin Gillis

Posted on 11/10/2018 7:04:47 PM PST by NoLibZone

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Trump proved correct again.
1 posted on 11/10/2018 7:04:47 PM PST by NoLibZone
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To: NoLibZone

This theory is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.


2 posted on 11/10/2018 7:07:00 PM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: NoLibZone

These people are insane.


3 posted on 11/10/2018 7:09:30 PM PST by TADSLOS (I hate Russian Dolls. They are so full of themselves.)
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To: NoLibZone

This theory is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. It shows this Chad Hanson character doesn’t understand the reasons for the things he does.

He’s clearly overtaken by silly ideology, and has tried to rationalize it with what sounds like a sixth grade social studies project.


4 posted on 11/10/2018 7:09:38 PM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: All

Guys like Hanson are typically manipulated by whoever is funding him. The ones supplying the cash are somehow clever enough to convince these fools that “forest fires are good.”


5 posted on 11/10/2018 7:12:41 PM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: NoLibZone

Of course they won’t allow logging to do the same thing their giant deadly fires will produce. They are making the forests a rotting disaster.

They have been letting fires burn for decades.


6 posted on 11/10/2018 7:14:02 PM PST by bray (Pray for President Trump)
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To: NoLibZone

Good to harvest some timber in thinning operations.


7 posted on 11/10/2018 7:15:19 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: reasonisfaith

Mich. and Wisc. had some VERY nasty forest fires back in the day.


8 posted on 11/10/2018 7:16:49 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: NoLibZone
They are essentially correct. Fire is necessary, ideally every few years in dry brushy areas like southern Cal, central valley, etc. Those will be low intensity fires. If we suppress fire (and don't clear brush any other way), then we will have high intensity fires that can't be controlle, destroy everything, and kill people.

In California they do controlled burns on about 20,000 acres. Needs to be 200,000 or 2,000,000 depending on the brush growth.

9 posted on 11/10/2018 7:19:15 PM PST by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: Paladin2
Mich. and Wisc. had some VERY nasty forest fires back in the day.

That was very simply from careless logging that created massive amounts of fuel.

10 posted on 11/10/2018 7:22:03 PM PST by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: bray

Bray said it best. Harvesting the healthy mature trees, clear cutting in some areas to create fire breaks, using small planned fires to clear out underbrush, re-planting the clear-cut areas with new trees to re-grow the forest. And going through the forest to collect fallen branches to grind up and turn into Dura-Flame logs or into wood pellets. Effective forest management would keep the forest healthy and free from horribly destructive fires. Also, there should never be a tree near a power cable. If a tree could fall on a power cable then the tree should never have been there to begin with.


11 posted on 11/10/2018 7:28:58 PM PST by Trumpet 1 (US Constitution is my guide.)
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To: bray
While the NYT wants to let forest burn, they also are against Climate Change. But,

Environment Canada estimates that for every acre of primarily coniferous forest burned, approximately 4.81 metric tons of carbon is released into the atmosphere—between 80 percent and 90 percent in the form of carbon dioxide (CO2), with the rest as carbon monoxide (CO) and methane (CH4). In 2006, a record-setting 96,385 wildfires destroyed about 9.87 million acres of forest in the United States. According to the Canadian figure, then, forest fires accounted for 47.47 million metric tons of carbon emissions in the United States last year. For comparison, the nation’s annual carbon dioxide emissions are said to be around 6.049 billion metric tons.

This estimate, however, doesn’t take into account the carbon released by vegetation that decays once the fires have been extinguished. Nor does it include the long-term effects of losing forests, which absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and thus can help slow global warming. https://slate.com/technology/2007/10/do-forest-fires-have-a-significant-impact-on-global-warming.html

12 posted on 11/10/2018 7:34:55 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: NoLibZone

Well they managed to chase a lot of forest products companies to hell out so what the hell do they expect?

Cant practice good forest management anymore because of the fire bugs and eco freaks.

They make machinery that can grind that stuff to the ground where they can prescribe burn it in a safe way. But what the hell, cant have somebody grinding that brush can we?


13 posted on 11/10/2018 7:53:45 PM PST by crz
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Go to our website ForestsforOregon.net and see what proper forest management looks like.


14 posted on 11/10/2018 7:55:17 PM PST by bray (Pray for President Trump)
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To: daniel1212

Dont try and tell that to the fire bugs that infest some of these places. You will be called a liberal, eviro wacko, as well as any other thing they can come up with.


15 posted on 11/10/2018 7:56:17 PM PST by crz
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To: NoLibZone

One thousand years ago the United Kingdom was mostly forest. Today it is not. Man has changed the entire bio environment of this Island. The insane environmentalist think we should return to the “normal past” of unrestricted burning of our forests as it is “just natural.” It is natural and most devastating.

I mentioned this in relation to the United Kingdom although the subject is the California fires.

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There is more forest land today than 100 years ago. This is due to rational harvesting and replanting of our forest by those that harvest the forests. It is in their interest to harvest and replant the forest.


16 posted on 11/10/2018 9:29:37 PM PST by cpdiii (Cane Cutter, Deckhand,Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist: THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: Paladin2

Every square inch of MI was forest not that many years ago, and would revert back to forest in a decade without tilling.

It takes very little time to go from plowed field to forest.


17 posted on 11/10/2018 10:01:39 PM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic is one stop shopping...It's the super Walmart for news.)
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To: Trumpet 1

This power systems Dispatcher agrees with you!


18 posted on 11/10/2018 11:15:45 PM PST by vpintheak (Freedom is not equality; and equality is not freedom!)
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To: NoLibZone
I have personally seen the benefits of fire on a forest. Mt Lemmon, north of Tucson, AZ, is one of my favorite places. Beautiful as it was it was a bit barren in that the trees were overgrown and weedy looking and the forest floor was a dry carpet of pine needles. There were not many other types plants other than ferns on the ground and very few animals can live in a forest like that.

In 2003 the Aspen Fire burned a lot of the mountain and cleared many areas of trees. Fast forward a couple of years and flowers, shrubs, and grasses were everywhere. The air was thick with bees and the scents of growing things. Many of the larger, healthier trees has survived and looked fuller and healthier due to less competition.

19 posted on 11/11/2018 1:50:54 AM PST by WMarshal (The Pleasant American)
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To: cpdiii

“One thousand years ago the United Kingdom was mostly forest. Today it is not. Man has changed the entire bio environment of this Island. The insane environmentalist think we should return to the “normal past” of unrestricted burning of our forests as it is “just natural.” It is natural and most devastating.”

The U.K. Is treeless because they harvested the trees for fuel, housing, and for shipbuilding. It wasn’t forest fires. In America New England was well on the way to being deforested like the U.K. and then the oil industry boomed along with coal and removed the need to burn trees for cooking and heating. The Arbor Society should be thanking God for the gift of fossil fuels.

I agree that logging is necessary and, if done right, has benefits to the forests. That being said many plants have evolved to only propagate seeds after being burnt and grow best in burnt areas. Some grasses, if fire does not burn away last year’s dead growth, can choke themselves off. Also most game animals that people like to hunt and eat cannot eat pine needles.


20 posted on 11/11/2018 2:06:03 AM PST by WMarshal (The Pleasant American)
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