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VANITY: Easy Way to Challenge Birthright Citizenship
November 8, 2018 | JBird77777

Posted on 11/08/2018 3:48:10 AM PST by JBird77777

I don't know what President Trump has in mind for his proposed executive order regarding birthright citizenship, but it seems the easiest way is to order that federal government agencies cease treating those claiming birthright citizenship as U.S. citizens. For example, he could order passport applicants to submit not only a U.S. birth certificate, but also evidence that at least one parent was a U.S. citizen. It seems that this wouldn't be an improper attempt for the Executive Branch to make law. Rather, it would be the Executive Branch enforcing the Constitution, as it's required to do.

This order would of course immediately be challenged in the courts and probably stayed until ruled upon by the Supreme Court.

It seems unnecessary for Congress to pass new legislation, when all that's needed is judicial interpretation of the Constitution.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: birthright; citizenship

1 posted on 11/08/2018 3:48:10 AM PST by JBird77777
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To: JBird77777
RE:”I don't know what President Trump has in mind for his proposed executive order regarding birthright citizenship,...”

Nothing, we will probably never hear him speak of it again.

The election is over.

2 posted on 11/08/2018 4:12:28 AM PST by sickoflibs ('Equal protection' only applies to illegals not you!)
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To: JBird77777

What evidence might that be?
Both my parents were born here but I have no proof i could or would show some bureaucrat.


3 posted on 11/08/2018 4:16:07 AM PST by Adder (Mr. Franklin: We are trying to get the Republic back!)
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To: JBird77777
.....the easiest way to treat those claiming birthright citizenship: Pres Trump could order passport applicants
to submit (A) a U.S. birth certificate, and, (B) evidence that at least one parent was a U.S. citizen.....

I like it.

4 posted on 11/08/2018 4:17:02 AM PST by Liz (Our side has 8 trillion bullets;the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.)
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To: JBird77777

Let’s start by not using the leftist’s terminology. “Birthright citizenship” sounds like a good thing to those who are not informed on the matter. “Anchor baby fraud” would be a better term.


5 posted on 11/08/2018 4:35:42 AM PST by Paine in the Neck ( Socialism consumes EVERYTHING!)
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To: sickoflibs; P-Marlowe

The removal of Sessions was a first step. I’m not convinced Sen Sessions was a very good lawyer. He lost the showdown on whether Trump could follow existing border law. Not to mention the whole Russia thing.

I wouldn’t attempt the birthright executive order with him in place. And I’d wait for the new senate before doing anything with confirmations. I’d also pick a hard nosed fighter for the new attorney general. I like Joe Digenova


6 posted on 11/08/2018 4:43:22 AM PST by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory.)
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To: Adder; big'ol_freeper; Impy; SevenofNine; Cletus.D.Yokel; Rummyfan; Liberty Valance; Perdogg; ...
Re: What evidence might that be? Both my parents were born here but I have no proof i could or would show some bureaucrat.

Birth Certificates. I have them for my late parents, Born 1920 & 1927, and also for my also deceased maternal grandparents, born 1901 & 1911, as they were needed for identification for local, state & federal this & that years and years ago.

Since my father's parents died in the Great Depression (1930 & 1936) 11 plus years before I was born, I did not ever need them but if necessary, I would have found them.

7 posted on 11/08/2018 4:45:29 AM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Adder

I could show family pictures of father, grandfather, and great grandfather here in the US. But you’re right about birth certificates. How many actually easily have acess to their parents’ birth certificates?


8 posted on 11/08/2018 4:47:25 AM PST by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory.)
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To: xzins

Sessions got hornswagled by the Deep State” ethics advice he got. At least, that is the charitable version. I firmly believe he was a Deep State spy in the Trump campaign and Trump found out.


9 posted on 11/08/2018 5:13:44 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: wastoute

I don’t agree for one second that Sessions was a Deep State spy, thus being a fan of all these shenanigans.

But I do believe he was snookered in the recusal matter. And I believe that this job was way over his pay grade. It’s possible that the amount of corruption that he saw simply shocked him, then realized the recusal gave him no way to remedy it.

He was rendered impotent.

I realize there are some who think Sessions is going to turn on DJT. I’d be stunned. Sessions is smart enough to know that because of the recusal, that DJT had no choice but to let him go, in order for this circus to end.

And I suspect DJT did this with a heavy heart, although necessary.


10 posted on 11/08/2018 5:31:35 AM PST by Dana1960
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To: Paine in the Neck

““Anchor baby fraud” would be a better term.”

Bravo! Calling a spade a spade.

rwood


11 posted on 11/08/2018 5:32:53 AM PST by Redwood71
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To: Dana1960

I’m sticking with “Deep State Spy”. It explains events much better.


12 posted on 11/08/2018 5:36:04 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: wastoute

we agree to disagree, my friend. I have no evidence of that but maybe you do.

That said, between Accosta and Sessions, it was a good day, wasn’t it?


13 posted on 11/08/2018 5:46:51 AM PST by Dana1960
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To: Dana1960

I really do think that is about the only thing that explains Sessions being Trump’s BFF and becoming a pariah in one day.


14 posted on 11/08/2018 5:49:07 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: JBird77777
For example, he could order passport applicants to submit not only a U.S. birth certificate, but also evidence that at least one parent was a U.S. citizen.

Both my parents were legal immigrants and non-US citizens when I was born. I am a US citizen by birth and my only allegiance is to the US. The idea is to prevent illegal aliens from having anchor babies.

15 posted on 11/08/2018 6:52:29 AM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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It has to be done soon, before the RATs take over.


16 posted on 11/08/2018 9:03:30 AM PST by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: JBird77777
"This order would of course immediately be challenged in the courts and probably stayed until ruled upon by the Supreme Court."

Where the court will reject the practice and rule that being born in the US does grant citizenship.

The procedure to prompt a challenge is fine, but there is no real argument about what the Constitution says here. The words are clear and have meaning.

17 posted on 11/08/2018 9:06:47 AM PST by mlo
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What does “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” mean? It can’t simply mean that one is physically present in the U.S., since obviously everyone who is born in the U.S. is present in the U.S.


18 posted on 11/08/2018 10:04:41 AM PST by JBird77777
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