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To: 1L
Go to a school like the U of Chicago and see what struggling really means for even good students. At least it was that way a decade ago.

You have some ideas about what is really going on in higher education. They are not accurate.

Minority students are not breezing through Harvard and the other Ivies. Many of them are struggling. Many of them are seeking out courses and majors that are not highly competitive. The Ivies are providing resources to keep them enrolled.

Many years ago, UC Berkeley accepted a large number of minority students. Many of the affirmative action students flunked and dropped out. Berkeley tightened their standards and only accepted the students who met their requirements. Lo and behold, their graduation rate increased significantly and their drop out rate dropped.

It was the AA students who were flunking out. If they had gone to a less competitive school they might have graduated and maybe graduated cum laude. Because of Berekely's 'do good' policies they were drop outs instead.

50 posted on 10/17/2018 5:58:03 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: ladyjane

>>You have some ideas about what is really going on in higher education. They are not accurate.

Whatever. I know profs, grads, etc. People directly involved. You?

Your statement of “Many of them are seeking out courses and majors that are not highly competitive. The Ivies are providing resources to keep them enrolled.” all but agrees with the point I’m trying to make.

I’m not talking about Berkeley. I don’t know people with a history there. I do, however, know people who have been at Harvard from the mid-80s until recently. I went to law school with a few. I’ve practiced with a few.

You can think and say what you want; I stand by my comments. I guess it is possible that your experience and mine is a bit different and we’re both right. But I have no reason to make this stuff up. And other than your simple assertions, you haven’t shown anything I’ve said to be false. Harvard still gets, and probably will forever get, top quality students — not due to the overall quality of education but the connections and prestige of the school. But it IS possible for non-top tier students to get through there and other places like that without struggling. I gave you one example - though I don’t recall where she went. No way that intellectual midgit was a top tier student.


51 posted on 10/17/2018 7:56:33 PM PDT by 1L
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