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Feds Force Suspect To Unlock An Apple iPhone X With Their Face
Forbes ^ | 9/30/18 | Thomas Brewster

Posted on 10/01/2018 6:59:16 AM PDT by LibWhacker

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To: Swordmaker

Ping.


21 posted on 10/01/2018 7:22:09 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Journalism promotes itself - and promotes big government - by speaking ill of society.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Yes, and I think Apple continually improves the algorithm and processing to avoid this.

But two people with nearly identical facial features can potentially spoof the system.

It does get better over time as Apple updates the algorithm.


22 posted on 10/01/2018 7:22:10 AM PDT by Crolis ("To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it." -GKC)
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To: neverevergiveup

I do not like the whole FaceID thing, the touchid is great, convienent.. but on the new phones its the only option... Well they may be able to lock it down purely on code, and not use the faceid at all.. but then you lose all the conviences of not needing to enter a code.

I have been an iphone owner since the 3G, but now that FaceID has replaced Touch ID... I am not sure I will buy another.

But if I do I will never configure the faceID.... ever.


23 posted on 10/01/2018 7:23:58 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Crolis

Hopefully they are continuing to work on touchID under the glass... and will return this feature... I know they couldn’t get it to work, so faceID was the route they went...

Somehow I doubt it though.


24 posted on 10/01/2018 7:25:16 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Crolis

a photograph will not work.. it utilized 3 D to recognize your face... a picture will not do it... see the actual tech here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4m6StzUcOw


25 posted on 10/01/2018 7:26:26 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Fightin Whitey
(Apparently Forbes is now staffed by illiterates too.)

I would wager that the Forbes editor was just following the required stylebook.

It is now considered proper to use the plural "they/their" to avoid the specific gendered pronoun.

26 posted on 10/01/2018 7:26:38 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: HamiltonJay

Do you think it would be possible to configure the face recognition such that it only recognized your face if you did something like put on glasses, or wink etc.? That would be a gesture only you would know.


27 posted on 10/01/2018 7:27:24 AM PDT by neverevergiveup
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To: LibWhacker

As with so many things, you sacrifice security for convenience.


28 posted on 10/01/2018 7:27:42 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: LibWhacker
That could be. I imagine they are detecting saccade movement of the eyes, the small movements that all eyes make.

Saccade

With how capable mobile processors are, they can calculate an incredible amount of data very quickly. Anti-spoofing technology was definitely a priority if Apple was going to permit it for mobile payments.

29 posted on 10/01/2018 7:27:55 AM PDT by Crolis ("To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it." -GKC)
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To: neverevergiveup

I suppose you could try to set it up with your eye blinked and then try it with eyes open and see how it works... but I doubt it will stop it, as the algorithm is simply a probability at the end of the day based no the inputs, its designed so that you can still open it if you have sunglasses on, or a hat, or you shave or grow a beard, so the wiggle room in the algorithm probably isn’t going to fail just because you wink or don’t wink.

It is good tech, identical twins generally cannot open each others phones with it.. but I just don’t like the whole concept of it... and like this story proves, you have no expectation of privacy to your face.


30 posted on 10/01/2018 7:31:55 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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31 posted on 10/01/2018 7:32:23 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat ("Moderates/Independents/Non-voters" Are DIMS REALLY who you'd want BACK in POWER?)
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To: Crolis

Wow, interesting, thanks!


32 posted on 10/01/2018 7:33:55 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Haiku Guy

Its actually pretty secure... even identical twins get recognized as different individuals....

However, in the sort of situation where someone wants you to unlock your phone... You really can’t stop them.

They claim its 1 in 1,000,000 chance someone else would fool it... and a standard 6 digit code by pure guessing is obviously 1 in 1,000,000 as well, so its not so much any less secure from a random attack by someone trying to open the phone... but like this story shows, there is no privacy expectation of your face.


33 posted on 10/01/2018 7:35:47 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Haiku Guy
It is now considered proper to use the plural "they/their" to avoid the specific gendered pronoun.

There was no need in this instance to use the plural.

I would appreciate seeing the stylebook notation that so requires.

Are you saying that if a man runs over a cat in the street, the stylebook allows (or requires) the man to be described as "they"?

The headline is illiterate no matter what the excuse; maybe the stylebook is too.

34 posted on 10/01/2018 7:35:49 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: HamiltonJay

Yeah, I think FaceID is going to displace TouchID. I can see them building the FaceID camera arrays into their laptops/desktops too.


35 posted on 10/01/2018 7:37:29 AM PDT by Crolis ("To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it." -GKC)
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To: HamiltonJay
but I just don’t like the whole concept of it

Me either! And I was looking forward to being able to say goodbye to passwords and pass phrases. But I guess that'll have to wait for quantum iPhones.

36 posted on 10/01/2018 7:38:50 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

Touch ID does this, and is very convenient, but if you aren’t willing to use faceID all that convenience goes away, and you are back to using pins...


37 posted on 10/01/2018 7:43:44 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: ClearCase_guy

I have an iPhone 8 plus with Touch ID. You can disable Touch ID for unlocking the phone, but leave it enabled for apps that use it. That provides two factor authentication for those apps (somewhat).


38 posted on 10/01/2018 7:45:07 AM PDT by IndispensableDestiny
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
When the iPhone X was introduced last year, it was demonstrated that a child who happened to look like his mom could unlock her phone. Hopefully the technology is improving.

He could unlock the milkman's phone too, which was a confusing finding.

39 posted on 10/01/2018 8:03:39 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: HamiltonJay

The one-in-a-Million figure is irrelevant. The vulnerability is that people will use your own face to unlock your phone against your will.

Heck, I’ve been in enough fights where somebody used my face to unlock a door. It would be much less painful to have them use my face to unlock a phone.


40 posted on 10/01/2018 8:04:25 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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