Posted on 09/30/2018 9:16:08 AM PDT by marktwain
Edited on 09/30/2018 9:24:48 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
The shooting took place Wednesday night as a unit of nine officers served a search warrant at an apartment complex about 20 miles south of the nation's capital. After knocking on the door and getting no response, officers used a device to open it.
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There are several examples of those people being vindicated in court. In this case, the chief apologized.
As they say, “a good shoot”. And the guy didn’t shoot the K-9.
What the hell was he pointing his weapon at?
How about a list of DEAD and WOUNDED INNOCENTS, by reason of “wrong address” raids?
Next step is to bankrupt the community for allow police to act like this.
“The chief apologized for the blunder and said there will not be any criminal charges filed against the resident”
Gee, that’s mighty white of them not to charge the guy for their potentially deadly screw-up. I guess that makes it all better. /s.
I hope he sues the pants off of them.
> The man immediately surrendered once he realized they were police officers, officials said. <
Okay. But the problem - of course - is that the homeowner did not know that they were cops from the get-go. And that’s on the police.
My suggestion: Any house raid should include a couple of marked police cars. Just before the cops hit the door, have those cars turn on their lights and sirens.
That would seem like a prudent thing to do. Am I missing something here?
“The chief apologized for the blunder and said there will not be any criminal charges filed against the resident”...Ya think, Chief? Dad protected his family from a threat unknown; just as a father should...He deserves a commendation if details of the story prove true...Sounds like the cowboys got a taste of what they deserve...
Is it time to address charging police officers who break into an innocent family’s residence? What about formally addressing their responsibility in a court of law?
Chief, you and your officers need to be standing before a judge explaining your procedures and facing civil and/or criminal penalties, with a serious judge and no knowing grins and winkie-winkies exchanged...
This crap will never stop until legislatures and courts lower the boom...
Where's the fun in that?
That was my point. In the wrong house, but returning fire into the door. Glad there was not s larger family in there, or people on the other side of the walls.
The officers are not on good intelligence, much less...intelligence
They are not surveilling to ensure their grab-n-bag oero is there, Michel less lives there, at a minimum, or frequents the prooerty5
Further, there are more effective means to “ Bag Their Man”.
Ruby Ridge and Waco are examples of dumb asses, hopoed on roids, with tiny “Teenis” syndrome doing all kinds of whatever to satiate their carnivores appetites at the expense of their friends and fellow brothers/sisters at large of their extended family
I hate human beings
I would suggest that Police stop making "no-knock" "dynamic entry" raids so often.
Arrive with visible, overwhelming force, announce at the door, and wait for a response.
Apologize afterwards when they get the wrong address. Don't shoot anybody.
Nine officers. I’m amazed the dweller wasn’t killed.
This happens 1 or 2 times per year and each time is unacceptable.
It is usually because a detective worked up a warrant and the “team” that served the warrant did not do their own investigation/proper prep work.
You have to take the detective’s information and verify ALL of it.
The detective is not hitting the door and has much less to lose (in his/her own mind.)
The 1st two guys through the door MUST do their own scouting and research and planning the Sergeant or team leader has to verify all if the info as well.
There are some agencies/circumstances where the team does all the investigation and the warrant service and that is the best way...way less chances to have a catastrophe.
Even better is if you can do a traffic stop on the suspect away from the warrant location then serve the warrant with no persons inside the location.
Then the perp has the choice of "OK" or "You'll never get me, coppers!, Blam Blam!
A lot of times the cops get these addresses on tips from snitches. So if they don’t independently check it out this kind of stuff happens.
I have been serving warrants like this one (drugs, robbery, dv suspects) for 8 years.
I will explain some things about police search warrants without giving away any specific tactics that will put officers at risk and may provide more information for people reading stories like this one.
The reason to serve the warrant in a “dynamic” manner is to both keep the suspect from being able to plan to shoot at officers or to be able to flush/destroy evidence.
Lighting up the house with police lights defeats that goal.
What happens is a very loud “knock” followed immediately by XXXXXX Police with a search warrant, open the door.”
Then a reasonable amount of time is given to allow the homeowner or someone who is inside to actually open the door or tell to the officers that they are coming to open the door.
If the person opens the door the officers will still enter the home and clear the house for suspects and weapons. The door will not be smashed open.
If the door is not opened it gets smashed open.
The quicker the home and occupants are secured the more likely no actual violence or shootings happen....and that is the goal.
Sounds like the team who served this warrant made a major error and most likely they either failed to follow several, possibly many standard protocols, or they are very unproffessional and do not have appropriate standards/operational ordersin place to begin with.
The homeowner did the right thing (for his life safety) by stopping his firing once realized it was the police. He had no way of knowing that they hit the wrong house and once he realized it was the cops...stopping firing created the circumstances that allowed both sides to communicate and the ending was much better than it would have been of both sides continued shooting.
Someone(s) is likely to be fired and nobody involved in the planning and leading the execution of this warrant service should be doing these ever again.
Thank the Lord nobody was killed.
P.S. “no knock” warrants are very very rare. I have never been on one, don’t know anyone who gas done one, and I have not even read an old operations order or seen an operations order template for a no knock warrant.
No knock and dynamic entry are two different things.
Can you clarify if you think neither should be done or if you believe they are the same thing?
This is not a criticism of your opinion....just asking for clarification.
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