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To: yoe; All
Thank you for referencing that article yoe. Please note that the following critique is directed at the Pledge and not at you.

With all due respect to Pledge-reciting patriots, and noting that I’m not going to stop anybody from reciting the Pledge, please consider the following problem with the Pledge imo.

It’s no surprise that most citizens probably regard the states more as geographical areas under the control of the federal government, since every time they recite the Pledge they indoctrinate themselves to think of the USA as “indivisible” and “One Nation” instead of individual sovereign states.

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible [emphases added], with liberty and justice for all."

In fact, Thomas Jefferson had indicated that citizens should regard their respective states as independent nations while foreigners should regard US as one nation.

"The true theory of our Constitution is surely the wisest and best, that the States are independent as to everything within themselves [emphasis added], and united as to everything respecting foreign nations." --Thomas Jefferson to Gideon Granger, 1800.

20 posted on 08/27/2018 2:20:23 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Amendment10

Thank you for breaking the ice. It was written by an atheist/socialist & I thought most conservatives realized that by now.


21 posted on 08/27/2018 2:47:20 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Stawp the hammering!)
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To: Amendment10

The states are geographical and they have lost most of their rights to the Federal Government...that is why many in this nation are calling for a Convention of States. I believe our Pledge of allegiance to that flag, solidifies Americanism, makes us feel good that we have such a country....T.J. would weep at the state of our States today.... why make a normal American action into something that barely exist today; you should join your states convention of states.


23 posted on 08/27/2018 3:00:03 PM PDT by yoe
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To: Amendment10
In fact, Thomas Jefferson had indicated that citizens should regard their respective states as independent nations while foreigners should regard US as one nation.

Which is the way most of the Founders saw it, as a division of internal and external authority.

My biggest problem with the pledge (other than the being written by a socialist part) is the beginning.

'Pledging allegiance' is to swear an Oath of fealty....something the Founders wouldn't do for a King. Why should I do it for a government?

28 posted on 08/28/2018 3:42:54 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a person as created by the Law of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man.)
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