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To: DoodleDawg

The problem I see....if you went across Iowa, there are probably a minimum of 10,000 non-Americans who are in some work-support of Iowa-farmers. If you start messing with the system or making more difficult to hire basic help....it’ll put a lot of these farmers into a tough position and unable to ‘recruit’ or hire anyone to fill the job.

My brother made the point a couple of years ago...that it’s hard to find anyone willing to work the chicken-business as a day-labor guy. Even if you offer $15 an hour...where do you find willing people to put in an eight-hour day....five days a week?


15 posted on 08/22/2018 8:06:43 AM PDT by pepsionice
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The farmer knew he was here illegally.


18 posted on 08/22/2018 8:08:28 AM PDT by TakebackGOP
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To: pepsionice
The problem I see....if you went across Iowa, there are probably a minimum of 10,000 non-Americans who are in some work-support of Iowa-farmers. If you start messing with the system or making more difficult to hire basic help....it’ll put a lot of these farmers into a tough position and unable to ‘recruit’ or hire anyone to fill the job. My brother made the point a couple of years ago...that it’s hard to find anyone willing to work the chicken-business as a day-labor guy. Even if you offer $15 an hour...where do you find willing people to put in an eight-hour day....five days a week?

They need to come up with a more sustainable model that doesn't involve breaking the law.

20 posted on 08/22/2018 8:10:02 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: pepsionice

We should have picked our own damn cotton.

Today, we are in that very same situation.


31 posted on 08/22/2018 8:34:13 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: pepsionice
My brother made the point a couple of years ago...that it’s hard to find anyone willing to work the chicken-business as a day-labor guy. Even if you offer $15 an hour...where do you find willing people to put in an eight-hour day....five days a week?

You pay them more money to attract workers. It is called the marketplace. Supply and demand. When you bring in an inexhaustible supply of cheap, illegal labor, you depress wages and take jobs from Americans.

40 posted on 08/22/2018 8:49:36 AM PDT by kabar
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To: pepsionice; DoodleDawg
"The problem I see....if you went across Iowa, there are probably a minimum of 10,000 non-Americans who are in some work-support of Iowa-farmers. If you start messing with the system or making more difficult to hire basic help....it’ll put a lot of these farmers into a tough position and unable to ‘recruit’ or hire anyone to fill the job.

My brother made the point a couple of years ago...that it’s hard to find anyone willing to work the chicken-business as a day-labor guy. Even if you offer $15 an hour...where do you find willing people to put in an eight-hour day....five days a week?"

It's really not the problem you described.

This really can be done and in place by the end of Trumps 1st term. It's just a matter of if the citizens of this country want to fix the problem, or turn a blind eye and kick the can down the road and let all this illegal insanity continue on.

1. First and foremost, enforce existing laws. Otherwise, as a lawful citizen of this country (and a taxpayer to boot), I want to know which laws I get to break with immunity?

2. Guest worker program. Install one that actually follows the laws and is enforced across the board w/o exception. Give them 3 / 6 / 12 months temporary legal status to work. Biometrics are used to track everyone. If you don't exit the country on time, you are suspended from the system for 2 years. 2nd violation, 5 year suspension, etc.
Any foreign national found using a stolen or fraudulent SSN (or other verification documents) is automatically kicked out of the program for life.
Any employer found to have a foreign national here illegally on their payroll will be fined $5,000 per occurrence for the 1st offence. 2nd offence, it's $20,000 per occurrence, etc.

3. Ensure eVerify 2.0 is not corrupted. Bring in 2 to 3 different private sector tech / accounting / forensic firms to verify that eVerify is not corrupted. Do this annually, at least.

4. Stop all government programs to foreign nationals here illegally, that use taxpayer money for things like housing assistance, food stamps, routine medical care, legal help, etc. They are not entitled to it.

If employment and the taxpayer freebies are removed, most will self deport. Those that don't can be sought out by ICE and removed.

Either our immigration laws and our national sovereignty mean something or they don't and if they don't, well then...we're not really a country anymore.

Enough is enough.

45 posted on 08/22/2018 9:00:41 AM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: pepsionice

Offer more that $15 an hour.

Or find a way to automate.

Or another business to do.

Not acceptable to break the law “Because I have to”.

If I do that in OSHA or environmental compliance, I go to jail.


58 posted on 08/22/2018 10:15:21 AM PDT by redgolum
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To: pepsionice

Day labor is hard to find. Ag jobs used to be filled by citizens but citizens need full time work or at least very steady part time. Citizens were doing ag work, my family did ag work until they were replaced by illegals.

It will be hard to shift back to citizens, it has been many years so likely those experienced will no longer be in the work force.

That mantra that citizens won’t do dirty or hard work is completely bogus though. Just think for a moment all the nasty hard jobs you can think of that are done by someone every day. Many citizens do manual labor, dirty jobs- there is even a TV show. I personally have done nearly every job illegals do in my lifetime. I personally know people right now that are doing jobs illegals do. Illegals are not the only ag workers now, so there already are citizens working ag jobs. The way illegals get hired is after the first one is hired they recommend family and friends. Do the same with citizens, ask them who they know that will work.

The issue is not that citizens won’t do the work. The issues are citizens would require more pay, possibly more uniform work- meaning full time though day labor can be found it is hard. Seasonal and day labor is the hardest to fill because often people take those jobs because they really don’t want to work and ambitious people need a real job.

The problems can be solved, it will require a change over but will be worth it in the long run. Working illegals save money- but guess what it is illegal.


64 posted on 08/22/2018 11:20:19 AM PDT by Tammy8
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