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To: boatbums
Does Scripture HAVE to say something specifically and precisely the way you want in order for you to believe it?

There is a big difference between "faith is needed for salvation" and "fail alone is needed for salvation". Yes, the difference that big has to be spelled out somehow, by just stating so, or through a parable. Instead, is is clearly negated in the second half of James 2: the proposition of salvation by faith alone is examined, scripture to the contrary is offered, and the whole fallacy is negated. The good works, at the same time, are praised throughout the gospels, e.g. in Ephesians 2:10 or Titus 3:8.

Those, especially, who profess the superstition of "scripture alone" should take the Word of God as written and deal with the consequences.

867 posted on 09/13/2018 5:57:29 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex; boatbums

There is a big difference between “faith is needed for salvation” and “fail alone is needed for salvation”. Yes, the difference that big has to be spelled out somehow, by just stating so, or through a parable. Instead, is is clearly negated in the second half of James 2: the proposition of salvation by faith alone is examined, scripture to the contrary is offered, and the whole fallacy is negated. The good works, at the same time, are praised throughout the gospels, e.g. in Ephesians 2:10 or Titus 3:8.

Those, especially, who profess the superstition of “scripture alone” should take the Word of God as written and deal with the consequences.

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Logical fallacy: moving the goalposts.

Also you told me that you weren’t accusing us of NOT teaching good works, and now you’re insinuating that Protestants don’t teach good works at all.

Make up your mind.


869 posted on 09/13/2018 7:16:11 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: annalex; Luircin
There is a big difference between "faith is needed for salvation" and "fail alone is needed for salvation". Yes, the difference that big has to be spelled out somehow, by just stating so, or through a parable. Instead, is is clearly negated in the second half of James 2: the proposition of salvation by faith alone is examined, scripture to the contrary is offered, and the whole fallacy is negated. The good works, at the same time, are praised throughout the gospels, e.g. in Ephesians 2:10 or Titus 3:8. Those, especially, who profess the superstition of "scripture alone" should take the Word of God as written and deal with the consequences.

Of course "good works" are praised throughout the gospels! Nobody is disputing that. But good works - whether of the Law of Moses or any other works of righteousness which we do - cannot and will not save us. It is by the mercy and grace of God that we are saved through faith. That is why that truth is repeated over and over so that NO ONE may boast before man or God.

Those who would rather take the reasonings of mere men based upon their boastful pride of self-righteousness above the actual holy and sacred word of God WILL deal with the consequences of an eternity without Christ.

I remain unconvinced that you know what "grace" means.

870 posted on 09/13/2018 12:55:50 PM PDT by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy he saved us.)
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