Posted on 08/08/2018 3:08:21 PM PDT by DFG
An Ontario man suffering from an incurable neurological disease has provided CTV News with audio recordings that he says are proof that hospital staff offered him medically assisted death, despite his repeated requests to live at home.
Roger Foley, 42, who earlier this year launched a landmark lawsuit against a London hospital, several health agencies, the Ontario government and the federal government, alleges that health officials will not provide him with an assisted home care team of his choosing, instead offering, among other things, medically assisted death.
Foley suffers from cerebellar ataxia, a brain disorder that limits his ability to move his arms and legs, and prevents him from independently performing daily tasks.
(Excerpt) Read more at ctvnews.ca ...
Not to defend it, but there comes a time where it may be ok.
A good friend with serious arthritis fell at home and broke his neck. He was taken to a top suburban Chicago hospital.
They did everything and took good care of him.
Picked up an infection and started going downhill...
About ten days after the accident, he asks if he could simply go home to die.
And he did.
I would not call it suicide, simply his choice of an end.
“Not to defend it, but there comes a time where it may be ok.”
Agreed, and sorry about your friend :-( .
Your friend chose to stop medical assistance.
The guy in this article doesn’t want to die. It seems like he could get by if he had some assistance at home throughout the day. Nonetheless, it appears that the hospital wants nothing of that and wants this man to choose to end his life.
It’s a *big* difference from what your friend faced. Your friend seemed to want pass away on his own terms between a broken neck and horrible infection (my dad did the same thing when faced with aggressive cancer ... he denied treatment ... made little sense to me then, made all the sense in the world to me now being 10 years removed from that).
When the patient asked if he could leave the hospital, they stated that discharge would result in him having to pay for the hospital bill due to some frigging rules and regulations (north of $1500/day).
*THIS* is the end result of socialized health care that EVERYONE on the left denies. When the state can’t afford it and you’re low on society’s food chain, you have your choice of ways to die under state supervision ... treatment is not an option EVEN IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT!!! It’s disgusting, inhumane, and immoral.
The larger concern is when the issue of the care of the fragile becomes simply a matter of financial expediency,” he says. “When we are given the option for a rapid death rather than a complex life then we are all at risk.”
What do they expect?
When you put government in charge of anything it eventually is going to come down to dollars and cents; what does it cost?
When ever government takes control and starts paying for things everything is great because somebody else is paying for it. Then the cost gets out of control because “Hey, somebody else is paying for it. Give me all that I want and then give me some more.”
Eventually the party ends because it is costing too much. Then the cost cutters come in and the biggest cost is going to get special attention. What is the biggest cost in the medical field?
People dying and the chronically ill.
How can you make the biggest cut in those two areas?
End their suffering; permanently.
It is a cold hard fact. And this is what socialized medicine brings you.
A bit more information here:
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/denied-assisted-life-by-hospital-ontario-man-is-offered-death-instead-lawsuit
?Sounds like he had very poor homecare, and has now deteriorated, would like to go home, but needs 24 hr care.
The system does not have that option, plus it appears he is a vexatious patient and made a ‘suicide remark’.(I don’t blame him.)
They send a physician(?) to talk with him, and it was not handled well. All things considered, an impossible task.
Many articles about this incident, most appear to be a rehash of the others. The NP link added some, but still no mention of his family? Could he be all alone?
This is a sad and tragic story,
How do people in other countries generally deal with the chronically ill?
While China and Russia and other totalitarian countries may not publish such statistics, what about socialized countries in Europe, Southeast Asia and South America? What about Australia and New Zealand.
Even if there are no stated public policies, there must be some generally accepted beliefs held by their citizens.
This is a real issue for all of us. Recently a treasured family member who was quite young had a sudden stroke. She lingered for some weeks without regaining consciousness and finally passed peacefully.
During that time we learned a great deal about the tragedy of stroke, and what happens to those who survive with major physical (but not mental) impairments. It’s an awful story and something we should all prepare for. She was young and had no symptoms, and it was a shock to all of us who loved her. But what of the elderly who might suffer a sudden stroke but live on and on with no ability to care for themselves? What are the most caring and loving options even if the cost of care is not a major consideration?
Our 80 year old neighbor had advanced Parkinson disease and was a real mess. The only way he could tolerate it was by taking multiple drugs and sleeping away the day.
It got to be too much for him and he intentionally OD’ed.
Being cared for by your loved ones.
When my grandmother became an invalid her children took turns caring for her in her home, taking a day out of the week to come and stay and care for her.
Finally, at the end she was briefly in a nursing home but I think it was not much more than a month. And personally, I think it was poorer care than she got at home. She ended up with gangrene on her foot that the doctor in the home had to be shown by my brother. Gangrene has a very pungent smell how the nursing home people and the doctor did not detect it is unbelievable.
This home was also considered the best in the area.
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