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Liberals Against Freedom of Conscience
Townhall.com ^ | August 3, 2018 | Michael Barone

Posted on 08/03/2018 8:25:01 AM PDT by Kaslin

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1 posted on 08/03/2018 8:25:01 AM PDT by Kaslin
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Liberalism stops being anything like liberality when it doesn’t allow any room for dissent and debate.


2 posted on 08/03/2018 8:28:02 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: Kaslin

The left isn’t liberal.


3 posted on 08/03/2018 8:32:06 AM PDT by EdnaMode
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That’s what I have been trying to point out for ages-nobody’s refusing to serve sodomites, they are simply refusing to carry their message for them. Even more than merely carry their message, they demand that people who oppose their message, on grounds of religious scruple, carry it for them! When you think about it, that’s actually some breathtaking audacity!
4 posted on 08/03/2018 8:35:34 AM PDT by mrsmel (I wonÂ’t be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It already doesn’t (it’s morphed into leftism, or shown its hole card, one or the other). It can’t defend its ideas, so it tries to suppress the opposition. Or even force the opposition to carry its message for it!


5 posted on 08/03/2018 8:37:09 AM PDT by mrsmel (I wonÂ’t be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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I’m trying to take a long historical view on how it got there.

Many Christian ideals read like what modern secular liberals SAY that they want, until we find out HOW they want to do it, which almost always comes with serious dollops of hypocrisy.

The only answer is for everybody, both left and right, to repent.


6 posted on 08/03/2018 8:41:57 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: EdnaMode; Kaslin
None of this makes any sense, unless one recognizes (A) that there is nothing classically "liberal" in any of this; and (B) that we are dealing with compusion driven fanatics, at war with America, her traditions & her Constitution.

Compassion Or Compulsion?

Reason Or Compulsion?

Compulsion For Uniformity

In recognizing the unreasoned fanaticism of our foe, we are better prepared to counter it, effectively.

7 posted on 08/03/2018 8:44:39 AM PDT by Ohioan
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“The only answer is for everybody, both left and right, to repent.”

Okay...so you’ve figured out that liberals have morphed into authoritarian leftists... so in this scenario, what exactly is it that you want people on the beleaguered right to repent of? Being the targets of the left?


8 posted on 08/03/2018 8:48:02 AM PDT by Pelham (California, Mexico's socialist colony)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I repent of my sins to God. Then I do my bit to oppose evil in the world, and the overwhelming evil of the present world comes from the left. The main reason is because they’re not content to just practice their evil themselves, they want to force the whole of society to be complicit in it.


9 posted on 08/03/2018 8:48:06 AM PDT by mrsmel (I wonÂ’t be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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It’s funny seeing Barone writing this article- he’s as Establishment as any character in the GOP can be, and he routinely dismisses the cultural and border concerns of the deplorables.


10 posted on 08/03/2018 8:49:54 AM PDT by Pelham (California, Mexico's socialist colony)
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To: Pelham

See my post #9. We are admonished in the Bible to oppose evil, even as we repent of our own sin. The left is evil, primarily because of its attempts to force the world to be complicit in its evil, and to call evil, good.


11 posted on 08/03/2018 8:49:56 AM PDT by mrsmel (I wonÂ’t be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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I suppose he’s having one of those “moments of clarity”. One hopes that it won’t pass.


12 posted on 08/03/2018 8:51:51 AM PDT by mrsmel (I wonÂ’t be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: mrsmel

Um... tying sin to one political party might reflect blindness.

God sometimes pronounced robust judgments over lack of liberality. See the book of Amos.

Government (non-theocratic) as its agent is a sad second best thing. Who ought to be championing liberality is churches. And the creep towards this falling under the government umbrella began with, among other things, the siren song of FDR calling for churches to back his new Social Security plan. Churches should have started to ask themselves “Hey! Why does this sound so good?” and should have answered “Because we fell down.”

If the people won’t praise, the stones will.


13 posted on 08/03/2018 8:55:22 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: mrsmel

I agree with your post #9. But since we’ve constantly been fighting back against the left’s push to impose its values on us, I don’t see why HTR is making a moral equivalency.


14 posted on 08/03/2018 8:55:26 AM PDT by Pelham (California, Mexico's socialist colony)
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To: mrsmel

Actually, “AFTER” we repent... remember the beam and the mote... we have to know about the kind of life that we are preaching before we can preach it. Logical, no?


15 posted on 08/03/2018 8:57:45 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: Pelham

Because the sin on the right is worse than it wants to think.


16 posted on 08/03/2018 8:58:12 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: mrsmel

As a long time Michael Barone watcher, I can guarantee you that his moment of clarity will not last. He’s in the Michael Medved, Hugh Hewitt mold.


17 posted on 08/03/2018 8:58:18 AM PDT by Pelham (California, Mexico's socialist colony)
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I just don’t go there, I know that HTR tries to be fair or something, but I’m not God, I’m a person on the ground, on this earth, who has a say in this world and society, at least for now. There is no moral equivalency between the right and what the left is currently doing, which is to force the entire world to be complicit in their evil, and to turn evil and good into each other. There is no moral equivalency between people who oppose pedophilia, and a party which contains people who would legalize it yesterday if they could. There are individuals on both sides who commit heinous evil, but as groups, they are diametrically opposed, and politics is a word related to policy, which affects the whole society.


18 posted on 08/03/2018 8:59:59 AM PDT by mrsmel (I wonÂ’t be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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But you’re not God? That’s all the reason you should come closer to God.

I was practically forced towards God. Suddenly I saw the grace in His name that I should have been calling on copiously all the time. For both myself and for His enemies. But His enemies won’t take it on till they see that their religion is so much hogwallow.

Both left and right are virtually godless... the right might actually be more odious to God in one sense, having a form of religion but denying its power. Being proudly atheistic might be more honest.


19 posted on 08/03/2018 9:03:08 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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“Logical, no?”

No.

And neither the Barone article, nor you, have pointed out any particular right wing sin involved here. The article is about the left imposing its values by force. You have just been babbling as if there is some obvious moral equivalency in this issue.


20 posted on 08/03/2018 9:03:19 AM PDT by Pelham (California, Mexico's socialist colony)
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