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The Facts Behind The Trump Tower Meeting Are Incriminating, But Not For Trump
Federalist ^ | July 30, 2018 | Willis L. Krumholz

Posted on 07/30/2018 3:53:21 PM PDT by kabar

For those who belong to the religious cult of Trump-Russia collusion, this meeting is prima facie evidence of the Trump campaign colluding with Russia to rig the 2016 election. One of the sacraments of this cult is that its adherents wake up every morning and hope that on this day, just maybe, Trump will finally be done away with. CNN is of course central to this practice.

CNN’s Chris Cillizza called the anonymously sourced report a “collusion bombshell,” and said it was maybe the “most important [event] of Donald Trump’s presidency.” One wonders how many times CNN and its employees have said similar things, only to see their hopes dashed?

The truth is that it doesn’t matter whether Trump knew of this meeting or not, or whether Mueller can ever prove that he did. Don Jr. and his associates did nothing wrong in setting up this meeting. But the events surrounding the meeting are damning for the intelligence agencies, the media, and the Democrat Party.

(Excerpt) Read more at thefederalist.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: collusion; thefederalist; trump; trumpjr; trumprussia; trumptower; willislkrumholz
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To: Parley Baer

I think the whole thing was a setup to try and trap someone in the Trump campaign. This was put on by Fusion GPS and the people who paid them.


Mueller won’t investigate the documented Clinton campaign collusion with Russians. Something is rotten in Denmark.


21 posted on 07/30/2018 9:07:55 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: Fedora
Even Christopher Steele may have tried to keep Nellie Ohr 'under cover.' Steele, put forth as the 'dossier' author ever since its January 2017 publication in BuzzFeed, does not appear to have let on to his many media and political contacts that he had 'dossier'-assistance from at least two fellow Fusion GPS Russian experts, Nellie Ohr and Edward Baumgartner.

Good info on Nellie Ohr and Baumgartner. Nellie applied for a ham radio license not long after being employed by Fusion GPS. No doubt she used it to communicate with Steele and others knowing that NSA does not usually monitor such communications. IMO Nellie Ohr was not only a conduit to furnish information to the FBI and DOJ, I believe she was supplying FBI information to Steele using whatever was in Trump's FBI file, which must have existed for at least five years when he began his birther attacks against Obama in 2011.

Amateur License - KM4UDZ - Ohr, Nellie H

22 posted on 07/30/2018 9:08:35 PM PDT by kabar
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To: nesnah
The Russian collusion is a convenient excuse for putting the campaign under surveillance just so they could keep tabs and respond accordingly. It was about winning.

It was much more than that. Not only was the campaign being monitored, but also, the Trump transition team and his Presidency were being monitored to overturn an election. Rosenstein signed off on the last renewal of the FISA warrant. The Dems and the swamp wanted to destroy Trump.

23 posted on 07/30/2018 9:14:07 PM PDT by kabar
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To: richardtavor
I care because our electoral process is being undermined by Deep State, MSM, and the Dems. I have no doubt that Obama was behind it all. This is the greatest political scandal in our history. Failing to hold those responsible for this treachery is criminal.

Ignoring the lies and not challenging them is a losing strategy.

24 posted on 07/30/2018 9:18:43 PM PDT by kabar
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To: lodi90

Precisely.


25 posted on 07/30/2018 9:19:38 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Good connecting the dots! I had noticed the ham radio license; hadn't considered that usage of it. The FBI subpoenaed Trump in 1980, so his file might go back even farther. Whatever info Ohr may have been leaking on him prior to 2016 may have been reflected in the DNC's December 2015 opposition research file on Trump, where they were already developing the Russia angle, minus the material Fusion GPS later generated.
26 posted on 07/30/2018 9:34:12 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora; LS; SunkenCiv

Kill a million, when Stalin does it, isn’t that a good thing for today’s national democrat socialist party?


27 posted on 07/30/2018 9:38:57 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (The democrats' national goal: One world social-communism under one world religion: Atheistic Islam.)
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To: Fedora

Agree with you that the Russian narrative probably started with the opposition research file on Trump (page 96). Collusion was just an expansion of the meme that Trump had a bromance with Putin. The sinister collusion/conspiracy of with Russia was stoked with the addition of Carter Page to the Trump team in March 2016 followed by the “hacking” of the DNC server.


28 posted on 07/30/2018 9:49:30 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

IF the GOPe wasn’t giving top cover to Mueller they would be demanding he equally investigate all the Clinton campaign ties to foreign nationals and Putinist Russia. Instead, they leave POTUS bare behind to the wind to hamstring him and obstruct the MAGA agenda. And for that history will damn them all.


29 posted on 07/30/2018 10:04:01 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: kabar; piasa
Also Manafort's addition escalated the basic meme: the Ukranian lobbyists working for Hillary's campaign--prominently Alexandra Chalupa--had a previous conflict with Manafort prior to his coming aboard the Trump campaign. Some of the early Russian hacking efforts (predating the DNC leak that Trump was falsely accused of) were targeting Chalupa, while Chalupa was going after Manafort, and she was sharing information with Michael Isikoff, who along with his colleague David Corn came to play a central role in helping Clinton's intelligence community faction plant stories against Trump:

"Manafort’s work for Yanukovych caught the attention of a veteran Democratic operative named Alexandra Chalupa, who had worked in the White House Office of Public Liaison during the Clinton administration. Chalupa went on to work as a staffer, then as a consultant, for Democratic National Committee. The DNC paid her $412,000 from 2004 to June 2016, according to Federal Election Commission records, though she also was paid by other clients during that time, including Democratic campaigns and the DNC’s arm for engaging expatriate Democrats around the world. A daughter of Ukrainian immigrants who maintains strong ties to the Ukrainian-American diaspora and the U.S. Embassy in Ukraine, Chalupa, a lawyer by training, in 2014 was doing pro bono work for another client interested in the Ukrainian crisis and began researching Manafort’s role in Yanukovych’s rise, as well as his ties to the pro-Russian oligarchs who funded Yanukovych’s political party. In an interview this month, Chalupa told Politico she had developed a network of sources in Kiev and Washington, including investigative journalists, government officials and private intelligence operatives. While her consulting work at the DNC this past election cycle centered on mobilizing ethnic communities — including Ukrainian-Americans — she said that, when Trump’s unlikely presidential campaign began surging in late 2015, she began focusing more on the research, and expanded it to include Trump’s ties to Russia, as well. She occasionally shared her findings with officials from the DNC and Clinton’s campaign, Chalupa said. In January 2016 — months before Manafort had taken any role in Trump’s campaign — Chalupa told a senior DNC official that, when it came to Trump’s campaign, “I felt there was a Russia connection,” Chalupa recalled. “And that, if there was, that we can expect Paul Manafort to be involved in this election,” said Chalupa, who at the time also was warning leaders in the Ukrainian-American community that Manafort was “Putin’s political brain for manipulating U.S. foreign policy and elections.” She said she shared her concern with Ukraine’s ambassador to the U.S., Valeriy Chaly, and one of his top aides, Oksana Shulyar, during a March 2016 meeting at the Ukrainian Embassy. According to someone briefed on the meeting, Chaly said that Manafort was very much on his radar, but that he wasn’t particularly concerned about the operative’s ties to Trump since he didn’t believe Trump stood much of a chance of winning the GOP nomination, let alone the presidency. . .Chalupa said the embassy also worked directly with reporters researching Trump, Manafort and Russia to point them in the right directions. She added, though, “they were being very protective and not speaking to the press as much as they should have. I think they were being careful because their situation was that they had to be very, very careful because they could not pick sides. It’s a political issue, and they didn’t want to get involved politically because they couldn’t.” . . .Chalupa confirmed that, a week after Manafort’s hiring was announced, she discussed the possibility of a congressional investigation with a foreign policy legislative assistant in the office of Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-Ohio), who co-chairs the Congressional Ukrainian Caucus. But, Chalupa said, “It didn’t go anywhere.” . ..Almost as quickly as Chalupa’s efforts attracted the attention of the Ukrainian Embassy and Democrats, she also found herself the subject of some unwanted attention from overseas. . .In the email, which was sent in early May to then-DNC communications director Luis Miranda, Chalupa noted that she had extended an invitation to the Library of Congress forum to veteran Washington investigative reporter Michael Isikoff. Two days before the event, he had published a story for Yahoo News revealing the unraveling of a $26 million deal between Manafort and a Russian oligarch related to a telecommunications venture in Ukraine. And Chalupa wrote in the email she’d been “working with for the past few weeks” with Isikoff “and connected him to the Ukrainians” at the event. . .Chalupa further indicated in her hacked May email to the DNC that she had additional sensitive information about Manafort that she intended to share “offline” with Miranda and DNC research director Lauren Dillon, including “a big Trump component you and Lauren need to be aware of that will hit in next few weeks and something I’m working on you should be aware of.” Explaining that she didn’t feel comfortable sharing the intel over email, Chalupa attached a screenshot of a warning from Yahoo administrators about “state-sponsored” hacking on her account, explaining, “Since I started digging into Manafort these messages have been a daily occurrence on my yahoo account despite changing my password often.” . . .A DNC official stressed that Chalupa was a consultant paid to do outreach for the party’s political department, not a researcher. She undertook her investigations into Trump, Manafort and Russia on her own, and the party did not incorporate her findings in its dossiers on the subjects, the official said, stressing that the DNC had been building robust research books on Trump and his ties to Russia long before Chalupa began sounding alarms. Nonetheless, Chalupa’s hacked email reportedly escalated concerns among top party officials, hardening their conclusion that Russia likely was behind the cyber intrusions with which the party was only then beginning to grapple. Chalupa left the DNC after the Democratic convention in late July to focus fulltime on her research into Manafort, Trump and Russia. She said she provided off-the-record information and guidance to “a lot of journalists” working on stories related to Manafort and Trump’s Russia connections, despite what she described as escalating harassment. . .": Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

"By the second half of April, the DNC's senior leadership was beginning to realize something was amiss. One DNC consultant, Alexandra Chalupa, received an April 20 warning from Yahoo saying her account was under threat from state-sponsored hackers, according to a screengrab she circulated among colleagues.": How Russian hackers pried into Clinton campaign emails

30 posted on 07/30/2018 11:18:00 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Robert A Cook PE
"the liquidation of the kulaks as a class"

31 posted on 07/31/2018 2:39:52 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: kabar

We all care here fellow freeper, but are tired of having the media manipulate the people after every positive development by conservatives. The Deep Staters are trying to evoke a sense of despair among Conservatives and the only way to fight it is to respond each time to counter it, but to understand what they are doing. I have seen many express despair because they believe what the media is telling them. Therefore, I prefer to see it for what it is - an attack. You said “I care because our electoral process is being undermined by Deep State, MSM, and the Dems.” You should care, but they can only undermine it if we allow them to. Yes, we have to fight them, and yes I agree that Obama and Clinton are probable responsible. But acknowledging the lies is not ignoring them. I am suggesting that people learn to recognize the lies for what they are and do not allow themselves to be persuaded that they are true. If you assume that is ignoring them, then you are wrong.


32 posted on 07/31/2018 10:22:31 AM PDT by richardtavor
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To: richardtavor
You should care, but they can only undermine it if we allow them to. Yes, we have to fight them, and yes I agree that Obama and Clinton are probable responsible.

They already have with the Trump administration trying to function while bogged down with investigations, leaks, threats of impeachment, etc. Lives have been ruined and many Trump campaign personnel are incurring huge legal bills. The MSM has been aiding and abetting the Dem lies. The Resistance is hurting the Trump Presidency.

We must care and fight back.

I am suggesting that people learn to recognize the lies for what they are and do not allow themselves to be persuaded that they are true. If you assume that is ignoring them, then you are wrong.

You are preaching to the choir. Us Freepers understand that these are out and out lies. I haven't seen anyone on this site claiming that they are true. The people we have to worry about are the RINOs in Congress who have not supported the President. With few exceptions there has been little outrage or anger about what amounts to the greatest hoax in US history. Most of them support Mueller and his one-sided investigation. There has not been sufficient pushback on the lack of cooperation from the FBI and DOJ.

The Reps are helping the Dems thwart Trump's agenda. They would prefer a Trump resignation. They are two-faced bastards.

33 posted on 07/31/2018 11:33:09 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

bmp


34 posted on 08/08/2018 6:07:08 AM PDT by gattaca ("Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." Ronald Reagan)
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