Posted on 07/28/2018 6:57:20 AM PDT by lowbuck
It’s bad enough that I botched what I intended to say on Laura Ingraham’s show last night (and what I think I was pretty clear about if you actually watched the interview). But mea maxima culpa if I’ve confused Jonah by the rest of what I said. And if there’s a three-strikes-and-you’re-out law, I’m going down in flames on that, too: This morning, when I found out to my surprise and annoyance that I’d misspoken, I considered posting another tweet to make it crystal clear that I have never changed my position on the Trump Tower meeting. Specifically, I was going to tweet out this column again . . . but I got distracted by a phone call and never got around to it.
Too bad, because maybe I could have saved Jonah some time.
I won’t belabor what I’ve already corrected on Twitter (a correction I am grateful to Jonah for including). I have a bad habit of interrupting myself, particularly at the start of a sentence when I change my mind about how best to say something. When I did that last night, the garble resulted in what appears (if a dash is not inserted where I interrupted myself) to be a sentence that stands for the opposite of what I was arguing. Enough said.
Now, on to my confusion of collusion.
It is a challenge in a time-crunched television interview, with people occasionally talking over one another, to explain complex issues and distinctions adequately. I offer this in mitigation, not as an excuse. I’ve been harping on the distinction between “collusion” and “conspiracy” from the beginning. Since I criticize others for conflating the two, I have an added obligation to avoid that error myself, even when pressed for time. I didn’t do that well enough last night. When I said that turning to a foreign government for campaign dirt was not “collusion,” I meant it was not the collusion that is the rationale for the Trump-Russia investigation — specifically, the cyber-espionage conspiracy to influence the 2016 campaign.
To be clear, collusion is literally just concerted activity. It can be made to sound sinister, but it is not necessarily good or bad, criminal or innocent. It’s just people doing stuff together.
A subset of collusion is conspiracy. Conspiracy is a crime. Technically, it is an agreement between two or more people to commit a crime — the conspiratorial agreement is a crime even if its criminal objective is never realized.
The rationale for what the Justice Department and FBI have referred to as Trump campaign “coordination” with Russia has always been suspicion (without much proof) of a very specific kind of conspiracy: the aforementioned conspiracy to commit cyber-espionage for the purpose of influencing the 2016 election. When people invoke “collusion” in discussing the FBI’s or the special counsel’s investigation, it is to this cyber-espionage conspiracy that I understand them to be referring.
Now, there may be all kinds of contacts between Trump people and operatives of the Russian government that can be called “collusion” with literal accuracy. But the one that would be of interest to prosecutors, under the circumstances as we understand them, is the cyber-espionage conspiracy. Patently, that kind of collusion (which I usually try to not refer to as “collusion” because of the confusion that ambiguous term causes), would be an impeachable offense.
Let’s turn to other species of collusion. There is, to my mind, undeniable evidence that the Trump campaign hoped and attempted to get dirt on Hillary Clinton — what is euphemistically known as “opposition research” — from Kremlin-connected people. I am not in the politics biz. Nor am I a babe in the woods unacquainted with the reality that many (most?) politicians are delighted to receive compromising information about their opponents and not fastidious about the source. Nevertheless, I personally believe it is reprehensible for an American political campaign knowingly to seek or accept opposition research from foreign governments, particularly hostile foreign governments.
As Jonah is wont to point out, not everything that is bad is illegal — that’s life in a free country. In American law-enforcement practice as it currently exists, I do not believe it is illegal to take oppo-research from a foreign source (including a foreign-government source). I’ve heard some lawyers argue that it could technically amount to an illegal in-kind campaign contribution under federal election law. I’d have no problem if the government started enforcing the law that way; but it is a widespread problem, so I think it would be wrong (in the due-process sense) to start enforcing the law that way without the Justice Department’s first putting everyone on notice.
Consequently, since I do not think oppo-research collusion is illegal, I refer to it by that well known term of art, “icky.”
Finally, on the matter of impeachment, there is no question that Congress can impeach a president for conduct that does not violate the penal law. High crimes and misdemeanors are violations of an official’s public trust, what Hamilton referred to as “political” wrongs, in the abuse-of-power sense. Consequently, while Special Counsel Mueller — who is an executive-branch prosecutor, not a lawyer for Congress — must focus on forms of collusion that amount to prosecutable conspiracies, Congress has no such limitations.
Could Congress impeach for collusion with a foreign power to obtain opposition research? I believe (again, guided by current practice) that this would fall woefully short of high crimes and misdemeanors. But it is worth observing that the Constitution commits impeachment solely to Congress — it is a political remedy with no judicial check.
One hopes (as the Framers hoped) that Congress would honestly apply the standard for impeachable offenses and not use impeachment as a weapon to harass political enemies. And happily, the two-thirds’ supermajority required for Senate conviction makes abusive use of Congress’s impeachment power less likely. Still, I cannot say it is impossible that Congress would pretextually impeach a president based on “collusion” to obtain oppo-research from a foreign source. Highly unlikely? Yes. Impossible . . . who knows?
In any event, I am sorry that by tripping over some of my words, and invoking “collusion” in a sloppy way that I usually try to avoid, I seem to have caused some of my friends (and some not so friendlies) to suspect that I’ve changed my position on the Trump Tower meeting. I haven’t.
Too wordy.
This whole “collusion with the Russians” by Trump thing is 100% fabricated bulls*** and should be ridiculed and laughed off.
I couldn’t care less what the talking heads from NRO, the Media, and the Beltway have to say about it and i wager 80% of Americans feel the same way.
If the Deep State scum attempt to remove our President we march on Washington and Katy bar the door.
Enough already.
Hillary is the one who colluded/conspired with foreign nationals, along with the DOJ.
It is DOJ officials who used the power of their positions to try to overthrow an election and then cover it up by defying Congress.
I have noted that McCarthy is an excellent writer, but a not so good speaker. In today’s charged political world on cable TV, it’s easy to get caught up in the “speaking over and arguing” environment, and putting one’s mouth in gear before putting one’s brain in motion. McCarthy does this too. It’s usually cause for me to hit the fast forward button.
Didn’t care enough to watch, don’t care enough to read.
I’ve had enough of this garbage.
Ditto!!!!!!!!!
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It was a huge nothing.
And it's an even huger nothing to get media panties in a twist over.
The intent was there, it is claimed, so the intent was substituted for action.
Don Jr. has already spent 20 hours testifying; the meeting lasted about 20 minutes.
This will all continue until the election, at least.
McCarthy is a good speaker when he is given time to finish his thoughts and keep his own pace. He (like me as a listener) is not good at the crossfire screaming matches that Fox seems to love when they compulsively need to have a Clintonista on to obfuscate truth.
The Fox prime time line-up often ruin their shows. Ingraham has on some great guests who I want to hear, but they are often paired with a leftist idiot who ruins the segment. Hannity has on some fantastic guests and is not as interested in representing the other side (thankfully), but he usually runs them over with his verbatim schtick that any listener can recite ad nauseam. Watch how annoyed Gingrich gets when he does this - it is kind of funny. Tucker seems like to like arguing with idiots, good for him, but I am not interested. They are also WAY too interested in having 8 segments on their show instead of taking their best and most relevant guests and giving the guests and listener time to digest the story.
What is up with the Watters segment on Hannity and the game show on Tucker? Waste of time.
It has gotten pretty old to me. Shannon Bream seems to be the most watchable Fox show at night now because she does not crush her guests and gives them time to complete their thoughts. Maria on FBN is the best of them all. Dobbs can be obnoxious, but he is often worth watching as well and he is authentic.
Personally, I would love a better option.
The entire charade is based on nothing other than political dirty tricks and fraudulent actions by political opposition.
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