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We'll see how this comes out.
1 posted on 07/21/2018 10:33:56 AM PDT by Navy Patriot
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Things can escalate real fast!


76 posted on 07/21/2018 12:11:16 PM PDT by Gamecock (In church today, we so often find we meet only the same old world, not Christ and His Kingdom. AS)
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To: Navy Patriot
This is a tough one. After the thug knocked the shooter down, was the thug still a threat? Lethal force is justified when you're in reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm. But, even if the shooter claims to have had that subjective state of mind, the video can go to prove whether that state of mind was reasonable.

So, if I'm our shooter, I've been knocked to the ground and the thug who did it is standing over me. He isn't rushing me at the moment, but if I start to get up I'll be off balance and a perfect target if he wants to give me a solid kick or punch. The fact is, a good kick or sucker punch can be lethal. So, maybe my best bet is to stay on the ground and see if he goes away. That might be a good call if Mr. Thug's body language, and/or what he's saying to me at the time, suggest that he isn't in a mood to come back at me.

But, that's a lot of thinking to do while I've just been knocked to the ground by the sort of guy who will come out of a convenience store and knock somebody to the ground. Maybe I just stop thinking so much, take out my firearm and neutralize the threat.

Taking a life is serious business. I'd hate to think I killed anyone, even a violent thug, when it could have been avoided. As for the thug: play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

78 posted on 07/21/2018 12:13:20 PM PDT by jumpingcholla34
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Here is a clue, When you are carrying be polite and professional, don’t escalate things, shrug it off and tell the judge.

Why muss up your hair?


87 posted on 07/21/2018 12:23:11 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Navy Patriot

Looks like a clean kill to me.


90 posted on 07/21/2018 12:26:29 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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If you look at about the :20 mark, just after the guy was shoved to the ground, the perp began walking towards him, and only retreated when the weapon was drawn.
However, he did back off after that.

So yeah, technically justifiable, but I don’t think the incident rises to the level of ending someone’s life.


96 posted on 07/21/2018 12:30:20 PM PDT by mkleesma (`Call to me, and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.')
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To: Navy Patriot

This is exactly why I got a CHL, I aint 28 and aint gonna play footsie with four thugs on a country road.


97 posted on 07/21/2018 12:31:08 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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Get your head out of your ass lady.

Your man was a punk as thug and now he is dead.


105 posted on 07/21/2018 12:36:28 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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I din do nuffins


106 posted on 07/21/2018 12:37:01 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Navy Patriot

So if McGlockton had come out and instead of pushing Drejka had pulled out a gun and shot him, would he also get off under “stand your ground”? After all he could say he was defending his girlfriend from an aggressive individual.


111 posted on 07/21/2018 12:40:37 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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Its 110 here today, the subsaharan dust and ozone are killing me. I don’t use the handicap spot and I have COPD.

I hope they charge this enabled 24 year old BEEOTCH.


112 posted on 07/21/2018 12:40:41 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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From the story:

“That’s when McGlockton, who is black, exited the store and approached Drejka, shoving him violently to the ground with both hands, surveillance video shows. While still on the ground, Drejka, who is white, then pulled out a gun and shot McGlockton, firing a single round that struck him in the chest, deputies said.”

Should have been written THIS way:

That’s when McGlockton, who is big, young, and strong exited the store and strode up to Drejka, immediately
shoving him violently to the blacktop with both hands, surveillance video shows. While still on the pavement, Drejka, who is a much smaller, older, man, then pulled out a gun and shot McGlockton, firing a single round that struck him in the chest, deputies said.


132 posted on 07/21/2018 12:57:13 PM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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The white guy should have known better than to “disrespect” the Black woman by speaking to her.


134 posted on 07/21/2018 12:59:45 PM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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You would think that after Trayvon Martin, the word might have gotten around that in Florida, a state with concealed carry and a stand your ground law, physically attacking a lone older white guy could have deadly consequences.

Then again, the late Markeis McGlockton seems at times to have had a problem behaving himself. His criminal record in Pinellas County includes numerous arrests and at least one felony conviction in June of 2008 for resisting an officer with violence.

140 posted on 07/21/2018 1:07:47 PM PDT by Rockingham
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An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."
-Robert A. Heinlein

Too bad Markeis wasn't familiar with this.

I predict the shooter walks since old Markeis had just committed a felony assault on the shooter. His family won't be suing the shooter either under Florida law.

I wonder what most cops would have done in a similar circumstance.

149 posted on 07/21/2018 1:31:30 PM PDT by Jed Eckert
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What’s interesting here is that while the police ruled justifiable SYG, the case still has to be presented to the state’s AG for a “final decision.”

I think the police are agreeing with all of the posters here. It’s something that could be ruled either way, so they are declaring SYG applies and will await a verdict from the AG that either endorses their decision or overrule it and seek an indictment. (If I understand things correctly.)


154 posted on 07/21/2018 1:38:57 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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“I dindu nuffin”

Yeah you did. You parked in a handicapped space illegally when several other spots were open.

Your boyfriend then attacked the dude who approached you and pointed out you were illegally parked in a handicapped space without a sticker. The guy he attacked was armed. OOPS! Bad move for your boyfriend. He’ll now enjoy his dirt nap.

End of story. Don’t attack people. It shouldn’t be that hard to figure out. I’ve managed to not attack people my whole life - it can be done!


172 posted on 07/21/2018 1:58:08 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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And don't forget about the 2nd guy that came out of the store, the one in the light shirt. He sits at the door until the assailant has grounded the victim then starts walking towards the confrontation. Maybe he was going to break it up or maybe he wanted to join in. Who knows. If you're the victim there are now 3 people in close proximity.

And notice the difference in behavior between the assailant and the light shirt guy. The assailant responded far differently than the light shirt guy who makes a Bee line out of the area.

If you are on the ground after having been two arm shoved by a larger man with the female exiting the car and dude #2 following the assailant I'd say the danger is both clear and present.
188 posted on 07/21/2018 2:29:27 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Navy Patriot

I didn’t realize the parking lot being full was a valid excuse for parking in a handicapped space?

Seems like a pretty simple situation that got terribly out of hand.


191 posted on 07/21/2018 2:35:30 PM PDT by LeoTDB69
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Looks like a good case of self defense to me.


205 posted on 07/21/2018 3:14:43 PM PDT by tupac (the crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe)
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Some folks need to learn not to go around assaulting people every time there is a disagreement. I’m glad he’s dead.


243 posted on 07/21/2018 4:50:52 PM PDT by The Toll
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