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To: fwdude
I agree. The grassroots is going to have to deal with them. I told a friend on FB, when she asked what I thought the eventual outcome would be, that the SBC was going to go down the road of the Presbyterians, not the Methodists. There is a distinctive split in the Presbyterians. One camp has capitulated and one has remained conservative. I think this is where the SBC is headed...just much more rapidly. So many in the local churches have NO idea who Moore is, much less what he is doing...or Stetzer...or what they tweet and who they "hang with"...and that is a failure of their pastors.

The fact they elected JD Greear by 68%, who in one of his latest books gave some props to Rob Bell (Love wins, no hell), and that he was pretty much hand picked by these guys shows that most pastors are asleep at the wheel...and the conservative resurgence is flailing.

And of course, I know Andy Stanly isn't technically pastoring an SBC church, but he is the son of one of the most famous SBC pastors...and he wants to unhitch us from the Old Testament and doesn't care if someone discounts the creation story or the flood. And of course, as you listen to the entire sermon series, Aftermath, you realize where he is headed: Normalization of homosexuality.

It's all very tragic. I grew up in the SBC...and was SBC for 35 years...was an SBC pastor for 22. I tried to reform from within for 22 years. I almost bled out too many times...and that's why we left. :-(

48 posted on 07/19/2018 3:01:26 PM PDT by NELSON111 (Congress: The Ralph Wolf and Sam Sheepdog show. Theater for sheep. My politics determines my "hero")
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To: NELSON111
Good analysis. I'll say this, though. The SBC has been extremely moneyed in the past and that is their comfort zone. I've noticed that they have taken a deadly marketing approach as a result, as their numbers have begun to dwindle. The "me too" stances are rather obvious, electing a black man (who may have been duly qualified) as president, and jumping on the (illegal) immigration bandwagon, as well as the "#MeToo" virtue signaling of trying to rectify alleged sexual abuse, whether 30 years old and verifiable or not.

A recent trend is to jettison not only the "Southern" brand, but the "Baptist" as well, as many member churches have excised that moniker out of their titles. The church across the street from me is a prime example, jettisoning the "Baptist" brand for a more "hip" amorphous identity. I visited once and was completely turned off by the coffee-house "performance stage" style service, untucked grunge look to the officiants, and self-absorbed attention grabbing style. Not saying that this can't be church, but it sure can be worldliness masquerading as "church."

If you recall, a proposal to change the convention name came up in the past year or so by getting rid of the "southern" part. I'm certain that this will gain traction in the next few years as member retention becomes the prime mission of the group.

49 posted on 07/19/2018 3:19:39 PM PDT by fwdude (History has no 'sides;' you're thinking of geometry.)
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