Posted on 07/11/2018 5:44:38 AM PDT by Javeth
we need to tighten up legal work visas given out.
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Many people don’t realize that ‘visa overstays’ are now
as large or larger than the illegals coming in across our
southern border.
https://www.google.com/search?q=visa+overstays&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1
Yes this captures all the corruption and incompetence wrapped up in the h1b, the companies that use it basically get underpaid slaves who they can work to bone for unpaid OT since, if he objects to the treatment, he’s sent on a plane back home the next week. That’s another way the h1b and the other cheap labor visas work, make sure the slave can’t leave the plantation and boom, they’re stuck and the company gets to lay off or not hire actual self respecting Americans to boot. And as you say the Indian workers can’t innovate out of a plastic-bag but then again, if they had any real sense or dignity, they wouldn’t allow themselves to be hired on as slave labor in the first place.
I heard that suggested once but it doesn’t work out in reality, it turns out that outsourcing esp white collar and back office jobs is very difficult and costly in practice due to things like time zone, work culture, supervision and other differences. Let alone strict rules on the security of sensitive client data that can’t be sent out of the country. We deal with the latter issue all the time in import-export and we can get into massive trouble if client data crosses borders. And then there’s also the issue of collaborations becoming inefficient or all but impossible for back office work sent overseas.
That’s why corrupt crony-capitalists like Iger at Disney and Zuckerberg at Facebook love the h1b and the other corrupt visas like the l1 so much. It’s only cost effective if they can bring their slaves over from India into the US, where they won’t run foul of the data laws and don’t run into logistic problems with time zone, culture and collaboration issues. Thus shutting down the h1b and other corrupt visa programs wouldn’t at all lead to mass outsourcing of US tech jobs overseas— that only works with big self contained operations like simple manufacturing.
Shutting down the h1b and l1 visas would mean companies would have to actually hire Americans at reasonable salaries for living costs, and go back to the more common-sense days when everyone did on-the-job training. This really is a winning issue for Trump and the true conservatives in the GOP, even my most liberal Democratic acquaintances are on-board with his policies in this because even they understand that a mass supply of cheap labor brings down salaries for Americans and benefits nobody but the treasonous crony capitalists like Zuckerberg, Adelson, the Koch Brothers and the Chamber of Commerce.
Ah but outsourcing carries its own set of problems. It’s not as efficient as having the workforce right there to oversee, to sit down and work out what needs to be done to solve a problem etc. if outsourcing were the answer, they wouldn’t have brought in all the H1Bs. That’s more expensive.
There is no labor market for graduates of climate "science", behavioral studies, liberal arts, fine arts, grievance studies, and several dozen other useless college majors.
These misguided people could start their careers at the coffee bars and restaurants right out of high school, without the useless degrees that currently qualify them for nothing better.
Now, this article discusses those students who actually have worked and studied to get STEM degrees for which there is an actual market need, yet only half of these graduates can get hired in their field due to the fraudulent visa programs.
While this is a factor, I feel like it’s generally exaggerated, sure there a lot of snowflakes doing womyn’s studies at many unis. But I’ve also encountered lots of kids who study the hard sciences and engineering and computer science, and they’re the ones being shafted by the h1b visa, not the liberal snowflakes who are usually given cush jobs in government or in corporate HR departments as “diversity coordinators”. Plus, a lot of the worst damage from the h1b is being done to more experienced programmers and STEM workers who know their craft, even many ex military guys who are the complete opposite of the entitled snowflakes.
So while there does need to be better focus on getting practical skills, the way countries like the German educational system are smart to do with their mass apprenticeships, still there are plenty of bright hard working Americans who didn’t major in transgender virtue signalling in college and learned useful skills, and these are the ones that the likes of Zuckerberg, Adelson, Soros and the Chamber of Commerce are shafting so much. Again, the womyn’s studies types all get jobs as diversity coordinators because of the perverse way that both US companies and the government are driven to look politically correct. The h1b visa only hurts the kids who actually do the right thing, work hard and study subjects leading to real skills. My own company hired several kids out of US colleges who studied STEM and there’s been no drop in quality, if anything some of our best hires have come out of the recent crop, and in a couple cases they were displaced by h1b hires in their previous jobs.
There’s just no excuse for the h1b, and if anything getting rid of it would force US educators to get rid of the womyn’s studies degrees and put more effort into more STEM training to meet the job openings. Trump is right to crack the whip on Disney and the other companies doing this.
I know a guy who worked for a company that built an offshoring center in the Philippines.
They spent millions of dollars getting it up and running, and were getting almost no ROI out of it. They sent him over to see what the problem was.
Turns out all of the employees spent their days goofing off. Playing cards, watching basketball online, etc.
And he had no stomach for being the white guy walking in there and forcing them to change their ways.
Thanks for bringing this up. I knew the visa overstay numbers were huge but not that big. And the even scarier thing is, you can bet a lot of these overstayers are with ISIS or al Qaida using the shadows to plot their attacks. Another way Obama failed our country.
Yeah this is always the second part that’s usually left out of the “jobs that Americans won’t do” claim. Sure they won’t do it— for the slave wages that the crony capitalist traitors want to offer.
Exact right. That’s another reason the STEM skills shortage is full B.S. The very process of the STEM major is a filter, someone can’t get through the gruelling coursework and training without being capable, so the “lack of qualified graduates” has always been bogus. OTOH Indian shell companies like Infosys and TCS are damn good at manufacturing fake resumes and bogus degrees for the slave labor they want to import from India, and there are enough diversity hires in HR departments (the ones who did womyn’s studies instead of STEM) to fall for the stupid fakery to bring them on board as h1b hires.
I still don’t get why anyone defends the cheap labor lobby on this, esp after Norm Mattloff and other experts totally derailed all the h1b propaganda years ago. Trump totally humiliated Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush in his own home state by addressing the corruption of the globalists and the h1b, then used the same argument to defeat Hillary and humiliate the globalist media. One would think that anyone outside the incestuous beltway elites in their bubbles would have figured out by now that the way to win elections in America is to stand up against the cheap labor lobby and shut down the h1b, l1 and other slave labor visas. But I guess the GOPe shills just won’t get the message.
Happened to an old friend of mine when he was called in as an IT contractor after a whole fleet of disastrous h1b’s was summarily fired at a start-up. I’m not an expert in programming by any means but even I could understand why he wanted to smash his forehead against a wall every time he got to a new block of coding that he was called in to correct. It was like a half dozen Indian engineers with pumped up fake resumes, taking about 1,500 lines of code to write something that any decent junior CS major could have pulled off seamlessly with maybe 1-200 lines even without a decent code library and even then completely failed to write adequate code to run the company’s systems. The idiot CFO in charge of the start-up basically wasted millions in venture capital on “cheap” h1b hires from India and then had to waste even more resources to hire an American contractor to fix their incompetence. That was bad enough, but even after my friend saved their asses, of course the start-up managers didn’t even consider bringing him or his team on board for permanent positions, but instead went through another round of h1b hires. Who messed up everything. Again. Not surprised that they went under.
Any Indians in the start-up management chain?
Haha that’s the business to be in these days, I was just posting about a friend of mine who worked the same line of work, correcting the unholy coding messes constantly being caused by incompetent h1b hires with fake degrees and inflated resumes, brought on by clueless H.R. departments (often staffed with diversity hires who majored in womyn’s or transgender studies) or smart-ass start-up execs who drank the open-borders Kool-Aid. He was never short on requests for new business or messes to clean up.
The only thing I ever worried about is how exasperated he got with the sheer extremes of stupidity that the Indian programmers somehow managed with their bungling, at one point he said he’d staff his own 10 year old nephew on some of these coding jobs before ever recommending h1b hires. At first I thought he was being gentle in a way, his nephew is one of these coding prodigies who could probably code up a decent new web browser on a spare afternoon, until I realized he wasn’t talking about replacing just one coder— he was talking about replacing one of these 10-person h1b teams that many of the bigger companies are so fond of hiring. Truly incredible how many resources are wasted on these monumentally incompetent h1b and l1 hires by “human resources” departments all in the name of a bit of extra short term profit.
Yes exactly true, like I said in another post, too many of these H.R. departments actually are staffed by the morons who majored in womyn’s and transgender studies in college because they couldn’t hack it in a STEM major. But in a further indictment of the corrupt system, these “diversity hires” have steady jobs while the American kids with brains who major in STEM are pushed to the curb while the cheap labor Indians with fake resumes get brought on board. At least until they royally mess up whatever projects they’re assigned to and a competent American programmer has to be brought in to clean things up.
No so much there, but I’m one of those that’s a decade behind and seeing that too often.
That’s actually a smart proposal. While they certainly have dumb policies in some areas, the one thing the Europeans get right in their educational system, certainly the Germans, Dutch, Nordics and some of the French and Belgian provinces, is they put a much bigger emphasis on manual and practical skills for kids early on. Most kids in Germany and France for example don’t actually go to college, instead the educational system and companies get together each year to make an estimate of the jobs and skills most in demand for the next 5 years, and kids are instead encouraged to train in apprenticeships and gain valuable skills.
This is why even with all the dumb things that Angela Merkel has been trying to do do hurt her country, Germany still has the best manufacturing and high level tech in the world, right along Japan, they value and reward the kids who start out early with an interest in apprenticeships without expecting to go to college. Even those who do go to 4-year colleges and grad schools almost always go for practical skills they can use. The colleges in Europe are austere compared to the US, and they don’t have diversity hires or womyn’s studies departments full of navel gazer profs and administrators who get paid 6-figure salaries to put out articles and speeches on how evil the West is. They may do a lot of dumb things over there but they have the right when it comes to using the elementary, secondary schools, apprentcieships, universities and grad schools to actually train their kids in things they can use.
It’s not just the snowflakes: I know some “conserva-libtards” who embrace the 2A to the extreme, hate Trump, abhor big government, fault corporations for all that is evil and cannot reconcile their hypocrisy for open borders vs. their selective support of parts of the Constitution.
I believe that some - if not most - of it comes from those in academia, those preaching a “living document” Constitution (the “Burger King Bill of Rights” mantra: Have it your way).
Ironically, I’m penning a speech on human biodiversity with emphasis on evidence of its failure: Epidemic stupidity.
You are right about that.
IMO Corporate America is badly hamstrung because two key departments, Marketing and HR, are dominated by the following type of employee:
- Female
- Millenial
- Degree from Leftist brainwashing university
- Steeped in political correctness like yesterday’s tea bag.
- Ranks 3 on a 1-10 scale of general knowledge, but thinks she is an expert on everything.
- Addicted to social media and can’t distinguish between it and the real world.
I think most of the bad, self-destructive decisions you see corporations making these days can be traced back to this.
The rest I blame on MBA programs.
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