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Teddy Trump
The Providence Journal ^ | 07-04-2018 | Daniel F. Harrington

Posted on 07/04/2018 12:04:34 PM PDT by Dansong

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1 posted on 07/04/2018 12:04:34 PM PDT by Dansong
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To: Dansong

That’s not a compliment.


2 posted on 07/04/2018 12:05:41 PM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: Dansong

Teddy Roosevelt was proto-globalist. His policies led to the “multiculturalism” that is currently eroding the American nation.


3 posted on 07/04/2018 12:12:11 PM PDT by allendale (.)
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To: Dansong

Trump is not a progressive.
TR was.

There hasn’t been anybody like Trump.


4 posted on 07/04/2018 12:16:58 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents__Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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5 posted on 07/04/2018 12:19:24 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents__Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: allendale
Teddy Roosevelt was proto-globalist.

No, he was a nationalist. As for being a "progressive", that word has meant different things at different times. Back then it meant a belief in the natural progress of civilization, and developing America from a wilderness to a civilized country in particular. Marxists later appropriated the term to mean anyone who aids in the "inevitable progress" of mankind toward communism, regardless of whether they are actually communists themselves. Leftists have taken that definition and run with it, but it's hardly what Teddy espoused.

6 posted on 07/04/2018 12:25:12 PM PDT by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is a fraud.)
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To: Dansong

Trump is nothing like TR. take a look at Lincoln and Jackson then you will get the right idea


7 posted on 07/04/2018 12:25:32 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Dansong

Both men unconditionally loved the United States of America!

8 posted on 07/04/2018 12:26:32 PM PDT by bigbob (Trust Sessions. Trust the Plan.)
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To: Dansong

The ‘spittle’ won’t settle as long as Hillary hangs on.
The implication that Trump supporters partake in the spittle is just one of this hit piece’s smuggled premises.


9 posted on 07/04/2018 12:31:19 PM PDT by sparklite2 (See more at Sparklite Times)
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In a way, it pains me to write this:

Caveat: TRs writings were seminal in this immigrant’s development of my own view of Americanism and Patriotism - when I secured my military commission following my swearing in as a citizen, I drove to TR’s gravesite in Oyster Bay and rendered him a salute as my personal thanks.

BUT - POTUSVSG* is LIGHT YEARS ahead of TR in terms of being able to handle the job.

TR’s hubris and ego caused him to needlessly split the GOP in 1910-12 (if he had waited as he was told he could have had the nomination again in 1916) and caused the election of Wilson, a monumental catastrophe for the USA - and by extension, the world.

Roosevelt’s political career, reputation, and his party were ruined by his impetuosity. By the time he had regained his prestige and started readying for another run in 1920, it was too late, and fate intervened (he died in January 1919 at age 60).

MAGA!!!!!!!!!!!

*POTUS Very Stable Genius (a Genius nickname, isn’t it?)


10 posted on 07/04/2018 12:39:38 PM PDT by Simon Foxx
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To: Dansong

Actually lots of differences.

Teddy never ran a business. He was a creature of charities, associations, and government. Trump has run many businesses.

Trump came from a successful blue collar family. His Dad became wealthy as a successful builder of homes. That’s much different from the very large family wealth that the Roosevelts had.

Also Trump didn’t inherit wealth. His Dad once loaned him a million dollars so he could start his New York tycoon business. That’s very different.

Roosevelt was a rugged outdoorsman, Trump’s a golfer.

And as others have mentioned, their politics was often in opposite directions.

Is there a person who ever became President who didn’t have an “ego”. But very few had the accomplishments Trump has. So they say he has a large ego because he explains the things he’s accomplished. Trump is guilty of hyperbole, but he’s not a unaccomplished narcissist like Obama.

To write the narrative, the author hand selected his facts to fit. He found a few matches, which is fine, but I think the parallels to Washington, Franklin, and Lincoln are closer.


11 posted on 07/04/2018 12:40:28 PM PDT by poconopundit (MAGA... Get the Spirit. Grow your community. Focus on your Life's Work. Empower the Young.)
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To: Nifster

“Trump is nothing like TR...”

The point of my piece is they are very much alike in ways that transcend politics, i.e., family, sobriety, love of country, leadership style,demeanor, etc.


12 posted on 07/04/2018 12:41:13 PM PDT by Dansong
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To: Nifster

Trump is nothing like TR. take a look at Lincoln and Jackson then you will get the right idea


I think Jackson is closer to the mark. His election really bothered the establishment of his time up to the point of creating a party (the Whigs) just to oppose him.


13 posted on 07/04/2018 12:45:13 PM PDT by hanamizu
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To: sparklite2

“The implication that Trump supporters partake in the spittle is just one of this hit piece’s smuggled premises.”

Actually, I’m proud that Trump supporters aren’t afraid to go head to head with the left. Spittle included. Wasn’t intended as an insult but an apt description of the battle.

Your “smuggled premises” phrase is excellent - original?


14 posted on 07/04/2018 12:51:09 PM PDT by Dansong
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To: Hugin

Roosevelt no doubt was an American nationalist. However he imagined a world benefitting from exposure to and the adoption of American ideals and practices. He avidly embraced an American imperialism that included possessing and transforming the spoils of the Spanish- American world. The governing and limiting protocol that defined American foreign policy had been the Monroe doctrine. He made it clear that America now had a global perspective when he sent the US Navy’s “white fleet” on a global tour. Not only was the Monroe doctrine being ignored but so was Washington’s famous warning to avoid foreign entanglements. Americans were being conditioned to believe that it was their destiny to go far beyond their borders in all things. Teddy Roosevelt was critically important for preparing America for its entry into WWI. As Churchill said the world (and America) was never quite the same again. Roosevelt lived to see his son die in that war. One of many who have perished rightly or wrongly in those entanglements that so concerned Washington.


15 posted on 07/04/2018 1:10:22 PM PDT by allendale (.)
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To: Dansong

And again I think that Trump is much more like Lincoln than TR

Tar is a progressive even by today’s standards. His so called love of America is open to debate. He certainly lived his family position and power

Trump like Lincoln was a self made man. Lincoln loved this country in ways that most people will ever understand


16 posted on 07/04/2018 1:25:21 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: allendale

Roosevelt’s foreign policy was about bringing America into the ranks of the leading world powers and being treated as such. I don’t consider that “globalism” as it’s used today, meaning a world without borders and unfettered “migration”.


17 posted on 07/04/2018 1:30:22 PM PDT by Hugin ("Perdicaris Alive or Raisuli Dead!")
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To: Hugin

Globalism as it is practiced today and embraced by ~25% of the American population is the greatest single threat to the American nation, its sovereignty and culture. Yet it did not happen suddenly. There was long journey, process and events that made that sort of thinking palatable and desirable to many Americans. Teddy Roosevelt may not have wanted his policies to make today’s globalism a threat to the America he knew and loved but in fact his policies more than any other President before him started the political and intellectual process that has led to globalism as we know it today.


18 posted on 07/04/2018 1:53:12 PM PDT by allendale (.)
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To: Simon Foxx
TR’s hubris and ego caused him to needlessly split the GOP in 1910-12 (if he had waited as he was told he could have had the nomination again in 1916) and caused the election of Wilson, a monumental catastrophe for the USA - and by extension, the world.

BINGO!!! If not for TR's ego, Socialism may not have gotten nearly the foothold it got in this country. "For want of a nail, a shoe was lost . . . ."

19 posted on 07/04/2018 3:11:16 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (Three most annoying words on the internet - "Watch the Video")
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To: Dansong

Bravo for having the courage to admit this is your work product. While I don’t necessarily agree with all your conclusions, it is a well written piece. Trump is a fighter and I’d like to think that he walks softly (around friends) and carries a big stick to wack his enemies.


20 posted on 07/04/2018 3:47:08 PM PDT by BushCountry (thinks he needs a gal whose name doesn't end in ".jpg")
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