Democrats want to re-ignite the ObamaCare fight.
They must believe it's a winning issue.
This is going to be about writing the winning narrative.
To: yesthatjallen
Obamacare the political albatross.
The Democrats should relitigate it. Its been such a winning issue for them!
2 posted on
06/14/2018 5:55:28 AM PDT by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
To: yesthatjallen
Yeah because 0bamacare has historically been such a winning issue?
Poor dems are left arguing for 0bamacare, against tax cuts, against NK denuclearizing, against the lowest unemployment in decades...
Need moar winnamins....
3 posted on
06/14/2018 5:58:20 AM PDT by
Principled
(No one will conquer America, from within or without, until its citizenry are disarmed.)
To: yesthatjallen
Obozocare would be off the table had the GOPe passed “repeal and replace”. Or simply repealed it altogether.. which is what they promised us they would for 7 years as long as we gave them both houses of Congress and the WH. Which we did.
4 posted on
06/14/2018 6:00:22 AM PDT by
AC86UT89
To: yesthatjallen
Obamacare is a scourge on our economy and punitive for those who have to use it. Please run on it. Tell people they can keep their doctors and plans again while they are at it.
To: yesthatjallen
They want to reignite it, because they think that is all they have.
What was fascinating was the official notice last week that the Justice Department “Will decline to defend Obamacare”.
That is significant. Very significant, and the leftists can read the writing on the wall. I think there is a lawsuit against Obamacare by 20 states who are largely saying that, due to Congresss recent repeal of the individual mandate penalty, the entire Obamacare package is unconstitutional. Of course, the usual states will probably band together and file a suit to the opposite, but...the fact the DOJ will not defend it is important.
So...this is likely what they are going to run on.
Good on them. Go for it.
7 posted on
06/14/2018 6:01:42 AM PDT by
rlmorel
(Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
To: yesthatjallen
Ocare is popular with the chronic sick, terribly sick and preexisting crowd. Everyone else not so much.
11 posted on
06/14/2018 6:30:06 AM PDT by
lurk
To: yesthatjallen
Obamacare is still law even though it’s been largely defanged by axing the ‘individual mandate’, but needs to be removed like a cancer lest it grow back.
12 posted on
06/14/2018 6:39:17 AM PDT by
SpaceBar
To: yesthatjallen
I’ve noticed when Obamacare comes up on leftist youtube videos they actually speak from a perspective that it is gaining popularity.
As Yoda would say, “Strong, with the echo chamber, they are.”
13 posted on
06/14/2018 6:41:11 AM PDT by
robroys woman
(So you're not confused, I'm using my wife's account.)
To: yesthatjallen
Democrats are seizing on the Trump administrations push in court to overturn ObamaCares protections for people with pre-existing conditions... Here are my thoughts on "pre-existing conditions."
- I see two "classes" of pre-existing conditions:
- The "bad class" are those who wait until they get sick and then try to get insurance. These are the people who get into auto accidents without insurance and then complain about the costs, and who have house fires without insurance and then complain about the costs.
- The "good class" are those with a history of continuous health insurance, likely provided through their employer, who contract one condition or another as many aging people do and have it treated through their plans, who then lose their jobs and employer-provided health care and suddenly find themselves with "pre-existing conditions" when seeking new health care coverage.
- To the "bad class," I can see the immense popularity that pre-existing condition coverage would have for these people, as it rewards them for earlier irresponsible behavior. At this point, I haven't attributed motive to this class, but it could be that:
- They are young and healthy and were willing to assume the risk,
- They were unmarried and didn't feel the burden of family responsibility yet,
- They were barely getting by and couldn't afford the insurance premiums.
- To the "good class," I can see the popularity that might come from making pre-existing condition coverage available.
- These people had plans they liked that were covering their conditions, and doctors they liked that were managing their conditions.
- ObamaCare converted existing conditions into a pre-existing conditions when it set the framework for driving out he health care plans that Obama insisted people could keep. These people wouldn't have pre-existing conditions if there were no ObamaCare.
- ObamaCare's "employer mandate" destroyed the 40-hour work week by converting full-time workers to part-time (under 30 hours per week) to avoid triggering the mandate. This caused people to either lose their jobs or lose wages, resulting in losing their health care insurance. Again, ObamaCare itself was the catalyst for converting existing conditions into pre-existing conditions through no fault of the person.
So, I think there are appeals to be made here. At the least:
- One could express sympathy with the plight of the "good class" of people who were doing the right thing but were harmed by ObamaCare.
- One could offer potential solutions to the "good class," such as portable insurance options so that people don't feel tied to their employers or at risk when laid off from jobs.
- One could encourage the "bad class" to rethink their options, or offer other insurance packages like combining health and auto coverage together where the same premium covers whichever condition occurs first (illness or accident), or something else.
Personally, I would appeal to the responsible majority who didn't want ObamaCare, but wanted a solution to the pre-existing condition paradox they found themselves in because of ObamaCare. I would treat the appeal to the others as the "tail wagging the dog," offering some options but not making the whole health care system cater to them.
-PJ
14 posted on
06/14/2018 7:15:19 AM PDT by
Political Junkie Too
(The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
To: yesthatjallen
I thought ObamaCare was suppose to cover everyone.
There are still 40 million people without givernment mandated insurance.
Why?
Defend that...
15 posted on
06/14/2018 7:24:03 AM PDT by
Vendome
(I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZGw2M)
To: yesthatjallen
Democrats want to re-ignite the ObamaCare fight. They must believe it's a winning issue.
This is going to be about writing the winning narrative.
And the narrative is going to be that the Republicans want to do away with coverage for pre-existing conditions, which would be an side effect of striking down Obamacare. The pre-existing coverage issue is easy to turn into sound bites and plays well on TV. It is also one of the very few almost universally like features of Obamacare. Not sure what the GOP response would be since neither they or the administration has a replacement.
To: yesthatjallen; All
This is so easy to defeat.
First commercial: “I was a laid off auto worker in 2010 due to the obama Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards imposed on my company and I lost my company funded health insurance, so when obama said he would make sure my family was covered, I thought, wow, ok, thank you. But I never realized that it was obama’s fault that I lost my health coverage in the first place because of his harmful regulations that cost me and thousands like me our jobs in the first place. Then I woke up, I realized that it was obamas fault that I needed his crappy obamacare in the first place.
Since President Trump has been elected and he has rolled back obama’s harmful regulations, lowered my taxes and my company’s taxes, my company was able to hire me back at a higher wage and with even better health coverage, I even got a $1,000 bonus this year that we desperately needed, I havent gotten a bonus since 2007, before obama...My wife is happy, my kids are happy, Christmas is going to be amazing this year!! Thank you President Trump!!...Obamacare, pppffffttttt, you can have it.
21 posted on
06/14/2018 8:36:17 AM PDT by
areukiddingme1
(areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
To: yesthatjallen
The only item democrats have to pimp is socialism nothing else the last 8 years proves how stupid they are never trust them with anything.
22 posted on
06/14/2018 9:08:24 AM PDT by
Vaduz
(women and children to be impacIQ of chimpsted the most.)
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