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To: Dogbert41

“Consider what is being done as a wooing of NK away from China.”

I don’t care, nor see it in our interests, to be great friends with an unreprent brutal political dictatorship that wants to rule all of Korea, on the theory we might woo the bastards away from China. The price we would pay, in the end, for real success in that will be the freedoms and Liberties of the South Koreans.

Trust me. The Kim dynasty was brought up and mentored by the Soviets, not China. China entered the Korean war not out of true friendship with the Kims, bus only because 1950s China did not want 1950s U.S. sitting on its border, which it rightly imagined would have been the case if it had not intervened on North Korea’s behalf. China does not want to see that today either, so China’s goal is to help Kim make North Korea look more like China, economically, while remaining the dictatorship it is, not changing politically,

Trust me. Kims politics and thinking does not come out of China, no matter how much it has come to depend on China economically over the years. The Kims are more like Stalin than anyone else. Economic development is not more likely to turn North Korea away from dictatorship and into democracy anymore than it has China.


34 posted on 06/13/2018 8:27:08 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli

“The Kim dynasty was brought up and mentored by the Soviets, not China.”

Kim Il Sung was educated in the Soviet Union, Kim Jong Il in China, and Kim Jong Un in Switzerland.

Although the Soviets formed and steered the Communists in North Korea before the Korean War, the Chinese occupation of the North Korean Government and domination of the economy never came to a complete end after the Korean War. Both Russia and China maintained relations with the Kim dynasty, but China now holds the whip.

“Kim’s politics and thinking does not come out of China”

I believe you have a point there - although both support dictatorial oppression. The Kim’s may take a Stalinist approach, but China has their hand on the tiller at the same time.

“Economic development is not more likely to turn North Korea away from dictatorship and into democracy anymore than it has China.”

That seems to be a lesson that we will have to learn again. The Chinese communists, and the Kim regime, may be playing the longer game, to build up their economic power and grow more political infiltration into South Korea, while they wait out the Trump Administration.


43 posted on 06/13/2018 9:20:05 AM PDT by BeauBo
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To: Wuli

The whole point of this exercise is that CHINA’S Little puppet has the capability of killing 20 million South Korean2 in 5 seconds, take out Honolulu and Pearl, and any Other US city. The reason we are here today with kid gloves on is because of every damned moronic POTUS we’ve had up until now that allowed this homocidal maniac to have thermonuclear weapons and their delivery devices in the first place.

This is how it has to be done now because of that. As was said by a Congressman this moring, you don’t walk into negotiations with Kim and slap him in the face and call him an ignorant slut.

But so many geniouses would have us do just that. Funny how not one of them lives in Seol.


52 posted on 06/14/2018 10:10:20 AM PDT by Dogbert41 (When the strong man, fully armed, guards his own dwelling, his goods are safe. -Luke 11:21y)
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