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To: Mrs. Don-o; metmom; Mom MD; aMorePerfectUnion; boatbums
But we agree. I agree that "we cannot justify anything because we are powerless to be just." I did say that temporal punishment is just, and since God is just, He does require it.

No. We are not in agreement.

You might want to go back and re-read Colossians again. Paul makes it clear that the death of Christ has removed all of our sins.

13For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, 14in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Col 1:13-14 NASB

21And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, 22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach— Col 1:21-22 NASB

. 9For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, 10and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority; 11and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ; 12having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, 14having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Col 2:9-14 NASB

1Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. 2Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth. 3For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God. 4When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory. Col 3:1-4 NASB

Paul isn't going to tell the Colossians they have forgiveness, been delivered from the domain of darkness, their sins wiped away, etc and then all of a sudden change his position in Colossians 3:25.

But this is where context is your friend in understanding the New Testament.

You have to read 3:25 in context of 3:22-25. Paul is giving instructions on earthly living with one another. His warning in 3:25 is clear....if you do wrong on earth, you will have to endure the consequences of those wrongs....here on earth. So to my earlier examples....if you steal, you may go to jail. If you speed on the highway you may receive a ticket.

However, those sins are forgiven....all of them.

The Roman Catholic says your mortal sins, and in Roman Catholicism, those are the real biggies, are forgiven....yet the "little sins" you do, you have to serve time in purgatory for those.

Think about what Rome is saying.

For adultery, forgiveness and you immediately gain Heavn upon death.....a little "white lie", and you have to spend eons in purgatory....unless the pope grants you an indulgence for doing something.

This is a completely non-biblical concept.

This is why Christianity rejects the Roman Catholic concept of purgatory and indulgences and mortal/venial sins.

Paul puts it this way:

23For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23 NASB

57 posted on 06/04/2018 4:08:05 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
You wrote:

No. We are not in agreement.

You might want to go back and re-read Colossians again. Paul makes it clear that the death of Christ has removed all of our sins.

13For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, 14in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Col 1:13-14 NASB

But that's just the part where we ARE in agreement.

"The death of Christ has removed all of our sins."

You believe that? So do I. We agree.

58 posted on 06/04/2018 4:15:01 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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To: ealgeone

Like numerous Pagan beliefs, the Roman Catholic dogma of Purgatory is akin to Karma.


212 posted on 06/05/2018 6:05:26 PM PDT by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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