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“Because MLK was a leftist, and leftists usually lie. It makes perfect sense to me that he might publicly claim one thing (a negative) about Communism to try to deceive the naïve that he wasn’t “one of them.” As I said, when it comes to left-wingers, the way to tell if they’re lying is when their lips are moving.”

I know, but the problem is, stating that Christianity and Communism are incompatible would be a bad way to lie about it since that’s actually far closer to the truth, whether you’re left wing or otherwise. I’ve unfortunately seen plenty of Communists who have actually pretended that they are compatible, like Pope Francis, Vladimir Putin (for goodness sakes, he actually compared the Communist Manifesto the 10 Commandments, not to mention Lenin’s relics to Christian relics, said this very recently I should add, among other things.), heck, the entire “Liberation Theology” movement for that matter, which actually was started by the KGB. Had I been in MLK’s position, been a communist, and tried to lie to people to adopt its policies, one thing I wouldn’t even DARE try is claim that Christianity and Communism are incompatible, because the moment I say that, doesn’t matter how hard I try to sell Communism by any form of lies, I basically destroyed my own argument for getting people into Communism the very minute I claimed the two cannot work together. Shot myself in the foot in other words.

“Watergate was absolutely nothing. FDR was bugging his opponents 3-4 decades before Nixon. Watching the ultraleft media lose their $hit over it was just hysterical. The real crime during Clintoon was ChinaGate, which was never fully investigated (selling nuclear secrets to the Chinese military for campaign contributions). Those involved should’ve been executed for that level of treason.”

Fully agreed there. Nixon definitely didn’t deserve THAT kind of witch hunt (heck, he wasn’t even the guy who ordered for the breakin and if anything he didn’t even know it occurred until AFTER the fact). If anything, that kind of treatment DEFINITELY should have been reserved for the Clintons, at a bare minimum.

“Well, we can’t know for sure what His plans are. It’s His universe and we’re just living in it.”

Maybe. Still not sure overall. Don’t get me wrong, I definitely know he exists, and I must serve him. But even still...

“Well, Nazis and Communists would interfere with their business model. But as I said, to openly assassinate a President on their behalf would’ve brought an end to the mafia. The government and the public simply would not have tolerated that, and both would’ve sought their complete extermination. The mafia would never have been stupid enough to do that (at least pre-JFK).”

Actually, that rationale is EXACTLY why they would not have tried to assassinate JFK, especially not when they have nothing to gain from it (even if they do get away with the murder, they’d still have to contend with the likelihood that the Soviets would further encroach on their territory). They may be evil, but they’re certainly not stupid.

“All we can do is speculate, since we will never know for sure. But it is remarkable how many people wanted JFK dead and how so many of these theories can be considered plausible.”

I don’t know about speculating, at least in regards to the Soviets: Ion Mihai Pacepa has indicated he did have a pretty big role in the whole Operation Dragon disinformation campaign, and the Mitokyn Archives that got leaked to Britain did corroborate his claims. Heck, he even found, and documented, quite a bit of stuff in LHO’s belongings that pointed to him at the very least being under the KGB’s employ.

“Although Condi Rice seemed to be an impressive individual, I probably disagreed with her on so many things. Obviously on social policies, though my concern is that she was an Arabist and anti-Israel. That was a serious problem in both Bush regimes.”

I know. In fact, the social issues, in particular her support for abortion, is exactly why I would not have supported Mitt Romney if he used her as his running mate.

“Carter’s bungling didn’t help, but let’s face it, this crap’s been going on there for 1,400 years. Of course, if you wiped out the Mohammadans in the Middle East, that would clear out over 90% of the population or more. Not a practical solution. I think a method similar to Ataturk’s would begin to turn those nations back to sanity. Sadly, the lunatic in charge of Turkey, Erdogan, has eradicated all of Ataturk’s movements to make it a more secular nation.”

I’ll be honest with you... I’m not exactly fond or trusting of a more secular nation in the Middle East. As far as I can tell, making it more secular will just make it more of a USSR type region, or, heck, even France currently where they persecute Christians and are atheist in all but name. I won’t settle for anything except for a Christian-dominated Middle East (Coptic Christian at the very least). Sure, maybe it would get rid of the yoke the Muslims had if we made it more secular, make the Muslims weaker, but then again, we made the same mistake with the Buddhists in the Vietnam War where we basically capitulated to their demands on getting rid of Diem and that led directly to them basically letting Marxism into Vietnam anyway.

“Well, Trump has created that new Space Force, although it’s really just on paper. We’re decades away, if not longer, from viability.”

Yeah, we definitely need more viability there. Hopefully when that program becomes viable, we might have our own “Imperial Navy” from Star Wars (after Lucas’s infamous revelation that the Rebels were Vietcong members and the Empire were Americans, I definitely don’t intend to root for the Rebel Alliance anymore).

“Dinkins was just disinterested in managing a problem that had gotten so far out of control. He preferred to spend his time out at Forest Hills and the tennis courts all the while over 2,000 murders were occurring per year in the city. He didn’t, however, create the problem. Lindsay, conversely DID create the problem of rapid decay and decline and an explosion of crime and championed policies that took things from fixable to horrible and chased the middle class out of the city. It would’ve required active work on behalf of Dinkins to achieve such a feat, he was simply too lazy and bored. This was active work by Lindsay to socially engineer the left-wing madness.”

I know, but the problem is neither of those two were openly communist, even if left-wing, while de Blasio is in fact a communist, and those guys are infinitely worse. Heck, de Blasio has actually made anti-cop rhetoric in the city, even refusing to attend a wake.

“You obviously aren’t a fan. ;-D I’m glad Uncle Walt didn’t live long enough to see leftists ruin his creation. :-( “

Yeah, I’m definitely no fan of Jeffrey Katzenberg, since he contributed more than anyone save for maybe Bob Iger for turning Disney into a left-wing enterprise. In fact, even though I’m not much of a fan of Michael Eisner either, I am nonetheless thankful that he at least fired that jerk after Pocahontas’s failure, even if it WAS for purely selfish reasons (in fact, my only complaint regarding his firing Katzenberg was that he took as long as he did to do that. If you ask me, he should have been fired after screwing up Black Cauldron with his “10 minute cuts”). And besides, at least Michael Eisner attempted to continue Walt’s legacy until his breakdown (his distasteful involvement in the creation of Gay Days nonwithstanding), while the likes of Katzenberg and Iger went out of their way to disrespect him from the get-go. Probably the only Disney Renaissance films during his tenure that I’m still a fan of: The Little Mermaid, The Lion King, and technically Toy Story, happen to be films where he had very minimal involvement. I hope for the day that Disney, to quote Trump, is made great again, gotten closer to Walt Disney’s vision. And quite frankly, after dealing with a horrible World History professor in College who claimed women couldn’t get an education or even be literate until they “took power” on the campuses during the 1960s, I’m not fond of Belle due to her and her film effectively pushing a similar claim, how she’s an outcast in the village due to her being literate, a bookworm even (and besides, seeing how Sartre despite his reputation fell for a mass-murdering psychopath makes me unsure whether Belle has any discernment, especially when she doesn’t come across as Christian, or even marrying into it via Adam in the film.).

“A Laxalt Administration (1989-97) quite probably would’ve removed the bin Laden cancer, especially after the initial ‘93 WTC bombings in NYC. Even Shrub couldn’t manage that, and assuming Zero even did so, he was so meticulous about protecting the sanctity of Osama’s Mohammadan beliefs about burial (because, yeah, Zero was NEVER a Mohammadan... right).”

Yeah, I hope you’re right. The last thing we need is something like 9/11.

“Swift removal from office. Of course, Dems would manage to swiftly remove GOP judges, and we’d never get a Dem judge removed. You know how THAT goes.”

Yeah, I know that. Really wish there was a way to ensure that there aren’t any way that people don’t do loopholes to keep leftists in while purge conservatives. Sheesh, this is about as bad as the Complete Monster trope nominations on TV Tropes (when someone like Maleficent from Sleeping Beauty isn’t even considered a Complete Monster despite the fact that she’s explicitly the mistress of all evil, you know the trope is utterly broken.).

“It would’ve been civil war if I were in a classroom with a leftist indoctrinator. The older I got, the angrier I got in dealing with that.”

Yeah, I know. Unfortunately, I have to worry about getting good grades, and it didn’t help that a libertarian teacher in Middle School (one of my better teachers, I’ll admit) made it sound as though you needed to keep learning in order to avoid getting alzheimers, and the only way I could conceive of continuing to learn was to continue school, so I had to take in whatever is in it. I eventually learned otherwise in College, from the same teacher. I still try to learn everything I can, many times in the hope of finding a way to undo the legacy of the French Revolution and the Enlightenment (I have a personal investment in that because that was pretty much the start of atheist persecution of Christians.).

“Parents that care tend to take their child out of the system completely. Eventually, I took myself out of it by the 8th grade. The stress was destroying my health and I was learning nothing. I had a home school teacher for the 5 remaining years (one for two years, another for the last three). I never stopped studying politics/culture, etc., from that time onwards. Even though I never set foot in a college classroom, I’ve done more studying on the subject than most who have a PhD. It’s why I tend to cringe when asked, “What’s the highest level of education attained ?” I did an extra year of schooling (14 instead of 13 years) and then how do you add 25 additional years of daily learning on the aforementioned subjects ? High school tends to equal “average/subpar” intelligence, i.e. the great unwashed masses. A Democrat ex-Congressman from Chicago deemed me to be a historian (even if I don’t have the degree or accreditation). I corresponded with hundreds of ex members of Congress in the ‘90s and ‘00s. I reviewed every short biography of every person to have ever served, election figures, even wrote up countless spreadsheets which listed every member going back to the Continental Congress. If I had the available info, I was even going to do so for state legislators, though would be a massive undertaking. I doubt many have come close to doing that.”

Must admit, I’m actually impressed with your resume there.

“He was the one responsible for turning “The Right Stuff” into a 3-hour campaign ad for John Glenn for President in 1984 (the same Glenn who was paid off for covering up the Clintoons crimes in ChinaGate and given another ride into space).”

Ugh... great. I also heard he was responsible for the Pod People remake (you know, the one where the kid when seeing his “mom” in bed witnesses her just deflate like someone who was denied any form of water for prolonged periods of time, rather than her simply “waking up” and showing she wasn’t herself anymore from her eyes.). Well, that’s actually a very good reason not to buy any of his films (heck, even without that, Lucas’ table reads for Raiders of the Lost Ark basically ruined the film [to say little of how the ending effectively gave me a deeply disturbed view of God], especially considering the implication that God actually spared a pedophile as a result of what Lucas, Spielberg, and Kasdan were talking about. I’m sorry, but even during that period of time the film took place, him having a romantic relationship with an underaged child like Marrion Ravenwood would have been frowned upon at the very least. And I’m pretty sure pedophiles are about AS bad as the Nazis, at the very least.).

“Too much a high holy sacrament to the left. Don’t want ugly, fat, tatted-up harridans rushing your office screaming, “MUH Body ! MUH Choice !” As if they’re in any imminent danger of having sex with males and becoming pregnant.”

All I can say to them is “So, you want to chop your own limbs off and/or engage in BDSM that leaves you with extensive scarring? After all, if you adhere to “your body, your choice”, you shouldn’t have any problem scarring yourselves.” And quite frankly, scarring, amputating, or mutilating oneself by their own choice would come far closer to that phrase than abortion, since at least THAT actually is their own body unlike the unborn which isn’t actually a body part but a developing lifeform.

“Oh, yeah, I’d love to see Clooney and his Mohammadan wife (beard ?) abandon his villa estate in Lake Como (where he was complaining about “the rabble”) to move back to Kentucky. Even his dad couldn’t fool the rubes into electing him in the district he and his sister, Rosemary, were born in.”

Certainly not now, anyways, with the impending Red Wave (even several leftists are conceding that the Blue Wave fizzed out right now). If anything, I’d be deeply surprised if there IS a Blue Wave.


120 posted on 11/05/2018 2:59:30 PM PST by otness_e
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To: otness_e
"I know, but the problem is, stating that Christianity and Communism are incompatible would be a bad way to lie about it since that’s actually far closer to the truth, whether you’re left wing or otherwise. I’ve unfortunately seen plenty of Communists who have actually pretended that they are compatible, like Pope Francis, Vladimir Putin (for goodness sakes, he actually compared the Communist Manifesto the 10 Commandments, not to mention Lenin’s relics to Christian relics, said this very recently I should add, among other things.), heck, the entire “Liberation Theology” movement for that matter, which actually was started by the KGB. Had I been in MLK’s position, been a communist, and tried to lie to people to adopt its policies, one thing I wouldn’t even DARE try is claim that Christianity and Communism are incompatible, because the moment I say that, doesn’t matter how hard I try to sell Communism by any form of lies, I basically destroyed my own argument for getting people into Communism the very minute I claimed the two cannot work together. Shot myself in the foot in other words."

He just wanted to have it "on the record" that he wasn't a Communist, despite clearly being a Socialist (AKA Communism by the drink), so he could point out to the uninformed he wasn't REALLY a radical. I'm back to what I said about left-wingers lying about their intentions. You're trying to make logical sense of it, and it isn't worth doing so. It's like when Democrats lie about being mainstream and normal come election time. It's Taqiya.

"Fully agreed there. Nixon definitely didn’t deserve THAT kind of witch hunt (heck, he wasn’t even the guy who ordered for the breakin and if anything he didn’t even know it occurred until AFTER the fact). If anything, that kind of treatment DEFINITELY should have been reserved for the Clintons, at a bare minimum."

It was payback for all that Whittaker Chambers/Alger Hiss business. It didn't matter that Nixon was a liberal Establishment Republican, the leftist media was out to destroy him. Nixon wasn't paranoid as portrayed, because HE was right about these people. The derangement the leftist media had for Nixon has now probably been exceeded for Trump, although the anti-Nixon stuff went on for decades. The anti-Trump stuff has really only existed for 3+ years.

"Actually, that rationale is EXACTLY why they would not have tried to assassinate JFK, especially not when they have nothing to gain from it (even if they do get away with the murder, they’d still have to contend with the likelihood that the Soviets would further encroach on their territory). They may be evil, but they’re certainly not stupid."

But it was about revenge. They thought they were getting "protection" from the Kennedys by helping fix the '60 election. That was an audacious backstab by both JFK and RFK. As for stupid vs. evil, remember that the mafia wasn't a bastion of MENSA members. Most of these were street thugs and murderers who couldn't cut it in legit businesses and worked their way up the structure. Look at Capone. He was a syphilitic whose brain was likely rotting.

"I don’t know about speculating, at least in regards to the Soviets: Ion Mihai Pacepa has indicated he did have a pretty big role in the whole Operation Dragon disinformation campaign, and the Mitokyn Archives that got leaked to Britain did corroborate his claims. Heck, he even found, and documented, quite a bit of stuff in LHO’s belongings that pointed to him at the very least being under the KGB’s employ."

Trying to connect the dots is maddening, as far as I'm concerned. That's why I don't think we'll ever know the roles everyone played (or didn't). The Oliver Stone movie didn't help matters, either. But Stone and other left-wingers had this crazy notion of JFK being a great President when he was just a corrupt, sick, sex predator who was so far in over his head that he almost triggered WW3, propped up by an equally corrupt and craven media eager to exact revenge on Nixon. JFK may have ended up dead, but WE paid the price for everything that followed and have never recovered from the damage.

"I’ll be honest with you... I’m not exactly fond or trusting of a more secular nation in the Middle East. As far as I can tell, making it more secular will just make it more of a USSR type region, or, heck, even France currently where they persecute Christians and are atheist in all but name. I won’t settle for anything except for a Christian-dominated Middle East (Coptic Christian at the very least). Sure, maybe it would get rid of the yoke the Muslims had if we made it more secular, make the Muslims weaker, but then again, we made the same mistake with the Buddhists in the Vietnam War where we basically capitulated to their demands on getting rid of Diem and that led directly to them basically letting Marxism into Vietnam anyway."

You do have a point. I was stating that Ataturk at least moved a corrupt and atrophied former Ottoman Empire into a pro-Western and less Mohammadan-centered modern Turkey, which was as best as one could hope for. Of course, it's all being undone now. Truly enlightened leaders in these areas would be served to embark upon a plan for de-Islamification of every nation dominated by this Satanic totalitarian political death cult, even if it takes 100-200 years to do. It won't be done overnight, but slowly. Moving them back to Christianity, which most of them were at one point, would do wonders for these nations and their people. Whether it can be done without warfare is the big question.

"Yeah, we definitely need more viability there. Hopefully when that program becomes viable, we might have our own “Imperial Navy” from Star Wars (after Lucas’s infamous revelation that the Rebels were Vietcong members and the Empire were Americans, I definitely don’t intend to root for the Rebel Alliance anymore)."

If just to piss off Lucas. ;-D

"I know, but the problem is neither of those two were openly communist, even if left-wing, while de Blasio is in fact a communist, and those guys are infinitely worse. Heck, de Blasio has actually made anti-cop rhetoric in the city, even refusing to attend a wake."

Lindsay was a Socialist, his policies bore that out. De Blasio is a Communist, but he cannot willfully let the city go to absolute pieces as it did under Lindsay because the city residents simply would not tolerate it. Giuliani proved that the city didn't have to tolerate 2,000 murders per year. If the crime rate rocketed back up to those levels, de Blasio would be finished. But there's no denying he is a bad mayor.

"Yeah, I’m definitely no fan of Jeffrey Katzenberg, since he contributed more than anyone save for maybe Bob Iger for turning Disney into a left-wing enterprise. In fact, even though I’m not much of a fan of Michael Eisner either, I am nonetheless thankful that he at least fired that jerk after Pocahontas’s failure, even if it WAS for purely selfish reasons (in fact, my only complaint regarding his firing Katzenberg was that he took as long as he did to do that. If you ask me, he should have been fired after screwing up Black Cauldron with his “10 minute cuts”). And besides, at least Michael Eisner attempted to continue Walt’s legacy until his breakdown (his distasteful involvement in the creation of Gay Days nonwithstanding), while the likes of Katzenberg and Iger went out of their way to disrespect him from the get-go. Probably the only Disney Renaissance films during his tenure that I’m still a fan of: The Little Mermaid, The Lion King, and technically Toy Story, happen to be films where he had very minimal involvement. I hope for the day that Disney, to quote Trump, is made great again, gotten closer to Walt Disney’s vision. And quite frankly, after dealing with a horrible World History professor in College who claimed women couldn’t get an education or even be literate until they “took power” on the campuses during the 1960s, I’m not fond of Belle due to her and her film effectively pushing a similar claim, how she’s an outcast in the village due to her being literate, a bookworm even (and besides, seeing how Sartre despite his reputation fell for a mass-murdering psychopath makes me unsure whether Belle has any discernment, especially when she doesn’t come across as Christian, or even marrying into it via Adam in the film.)."

I'll readily admit I haven't watched any of those Disney movies you cited. I preferred the ones from the Golden Age where Uncle Walt still had a hand in them ("Mary Poppins" still remains a favorite, although a critical look at it will find that the mother was rather awful in it. An early feminist whose children took a distant second to her radical political activism. One wonders how the father would've ended up with such a woman instead of someone utterly devoted to their children. Sadly, the effects on female enfranchisement have resulted in the 20th century and to date being awash in democratically-elected leftism and all the disasters that have ensued. Had it not occurred, virtually no Democrat would've been elected President since (FDR might have in 1932, but not likely for 4 terms. Truman would've never ascended. JFK definitely would not have been elected either Senator or President. LBJ would never have ascended as a result. No Carter. Clintoon couldn't have scored a plurality victory. No Zero, either). It might not be fair to women, since many possess the discerning skills to elect the best people and some can be great leaders, but many more have no business participating in the political process (same with many males).

"Yeah, I hope you’re right. The last thing we need is something like 9/11."

Speaking of Laxalt, his grandson is due to be elected Governor of Nevada this evening, following in his footsteps (sadly, Paul Laxalt died early this year. I was hoping he'd live to see his grandson elected). He actually helped raise the grandson, who was a product of an affair between his daughter and the late Sen. Pete Domenici of New Mexico (which didn't come out until after Domenici retired). Adam Paul Laxalt has the potential to be a future contender for President, which should've been his grandfather's career capstone.

"Yeah, I know that. Really wish there was a way to ensure that there aren’t any way that people don’t do loopholes to keep leftists in while purge conservatives. Sheesh, this is about as bad as the Complete Monster trope nominations on TV Tropes (when someone like Maleficent from Sleeping Beauty isn’t even considered a Complete Monster despite the fact that she’s explicitly the mistress of all evil, you know the trope is utterly broken.)."

I mean, look what was done to the Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court, Roy Moore, not once but twice. He defiantly stood up for what was right, and was twice removed for it. He scared the pants off the left (and was hated, too, by the GOP political establishment), one reason they had to destroy him in his run for the Senate. Frankly, he ought to be the Chief Justice of the U.S.

"Yeah, I know. Unfortunately, I have to worry about getting good grades, and it didn’t help that a libertarian teacher in Middle School (one of my better teachers, I’ll admit) made it sound as though you needed to keep learning in order to avoid getting alzheimers, and the only way I could conceive of continuing to learn was to continue school, so I had to take in whatever is in it. I eventually learned otherwise in College, from the same teacher. I still try to learn everything I can, many times in the hope of finding a way to undo the legacy of the French Revolution and the Enlightenment (I have a personal investment in that because that was pretty much the start of atheist persecution of Christians.)."

Anything to demolish the leftist agenda is a positive.

"Must admit, I’m actually impressed with your resume there."

Thank you. Though that and $1.50 wouldn't get me a cup of overpriced swill at Starbuck's (not that I'd want any).

"Ugh... great. I also heard he was responsible for the Pod People remake (you know, the one where the kid when seeing his “mom” in bed witnesses her just deflate like someone who was denied any form of water for prolonged periods of time, rather than her simply “waking up” and showing she wasn’t herself anymore from her eyes.)."

Oh, the '93 Body Snatchers movie. I had a modest crush on Gabrielle Anwar.

"Well, that’s actually a very good reason not to buy any of his films (heck, even without that, Lucas’ table reads for Raiders of the Lost Ark basically ruined the film [to say little of how the ending effectively gave me a deeply disturbed view of God], especially considering the implication that God actually spared a pedophile as a result of what Lucas, Spielberg, and Kasdan were talking about. I’m sorry, but even during that period of time the film took place, him having a romantic relationship with an underaged child like Marrion Ravenwood would have been frowned upon at the very least. And I’m pretty sure pedophiles are about AS bad as the Nazis, at the very least.)."

I went to revisit that issue, though it didn't seem to be much touched upon in the films (Karen Allen was about 30 in the 1st film). What's considered to be appropriate/inappropriate with age today is not the same as it was a century ago. Girls at 14 were often considered to be "ready to marry", there wasn't this solid 18 rule now. Even into the 1970s, it was not scandalous for an older man and a girl of 17 (Woody Allen had this in "Manhattan", where his character was dating and sleeping with a nubile Mariel Hemingway, which looks creepy now, but wasn't seen as such at the time). I think it boiled down to the individuals, whether they were mature or not at that age. Although they'd charge Indy with being a pedo now, that would not have been shocking for a guy in his mid 20s being with a girl of 15-16-17. I got the impression Marion was VERY precocious at the younger age. Indy didn't give off a vibe of wanting to have sex with children.

"All I can say to them is “So, you want to chop your own limbs off and/or engage in BDSM that leaves you with extensive scarring? After all, if you adhere to “your body, your choice”, you shouldn’t have any problem scarring yourselves.” And quite frankly, scarring, amputating, or mutilating oneself by their own choice would come far closer to that phrase than abortion, since at least THAT actually is their own body unlike the unborn which isn’t actually a body part but a developing lifeform."

See, but you're trying to reason with them. They're not interested in being reasonable, only screeching tired, hackneyed phrases about murdering in the womb. You can't reason with crazies, you can only defeat them.

"Certainly not now, anyways, with the impending Red Wave (even several leftists are conceding that the Blue Wave fizzed out right now). If anything, I’d be deeply surprised if there IS a Blue Wave."

That's one of my biggest pet peeves. Ever since the media on Election Day 2000 pulled the Orwellian newspeak switcheroo of relabeling the party of the left "blue" to disassociate them from Communism, I just grit my teeth in anger. I never use that atrocious color scheme. The GOP, as a Conservative party, will always be blue and the Democrats REDS. I still try to get people not to use that backwards nonsense. It's so historically wrong and absurd. So I'm hoping for a GOP BLUE wave, not a Commie-Demonrat RED one.

121 posted on 11/06/2018 4:23:46 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj ("It's Slappin' Time !")
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