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To: rrrod

There was a theory that Ukraine forces with Russian equipment did it. Some say they were friendly forces to Russia even embedded Russians. Russia said that it was the unfriendly government. But this says it was Russian forces doing it from Russia. That makes Russia out to be both stupid and lairs. We were sure about the latter. But we were told they were so clever in how they were taking over Ukraine.


6 posted on 05/25/2018 4:50:47 AM PDT by poinq
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To: poinq

The Russkies originally claimed that they had proof it was Ukrainian ground attack planes that took out MH17, even though it was literally impossible from a technical viewpoint.

They are not stupid. They’re just brazen. They had drunks running the Buk launchers who were likely shooting at everything. (Then again, the system is very sophisticated and requires training to operate, so it might have been Russian soldiers, but this doesn’t take away the possibility that they were raving drunks.) This being embarrassing, they covered it up with stupid stories.

That said, the Europeans only care at this point because they want to keep Ivan in the news to attack Trump. Same thing with that alleged poisoning, which to me genuinely feels like it could have been the UK itself which attempted the assassination-—again, just to keep Ivan in the news.


8 posted on 05/25/2018 5:06:58 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: poinq
But this says it was Russian forces doing it from Russia. That makes Russia out to be both stupid and lairs.

It says the Buk that was used to shoot down the aircraft was from a unit that was based in Kursk, Russia. It didn't say the shot came from Russia, nor did it say Russian troops fired the missile.

The Buk missile was fired by pro-Russian rebels in the town of Pervomaisky, which is in the Ukraine, just west of the Russian border.

Russia certainly played a role in giving the Buk to the rebels, but it wasn't fired by Russian troops or from within Russia according to the investigations that have occurred since.

Do not take this as support for Putin/Russia. It is not. It is simply repeating what the investigations to date have stated.

A list of the investigations and results (including today's finding) is located here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17

11 posted on 05/25/2018 6:52:12 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (There are two kinds of people: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.)
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