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To: otness_e

Charles Martel lived in a different time where force was acceptable, but you are talking about forcing Christianity on people who are educated and to some degree free. I really don’t think your show of force will end happily ever after.

I am not sure I am getting the equivalence between Jimmy Carter betraying the Shah and us cutting Europe loose to fend for themselves.


140 posted on 05/15/2018 11:32:57 AM PDT by The Deplorable Miss Lemon (If illegals are here to do the jobs Americans won't do why are so many illegals on welfare?)
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To: The Deplorable Miss Lemon

Not necessarily. America used force for the War on Iraq, the War on Afghanistan. And besides, God advocated for the use of force. Otherwise, the Jews would NEVER have been emancipated from Egypt (God using the plagues was specifically done to force the Pharaoh to give up the Jews when he refused).

And don’t think being educated means that you are immune to force. Let’s not forget that Germany was most educated yet they were subject to force via the Nazis. Besides, getting rid of Enlightenment education is probably going to be far better off for Christendom.

The equivalence is that when Jimmy Carter was asked whether the Shah of Iran would last the year, he gave a very ambiguously worded answer and implied that would be up to the people, not even saying whether they should support him or not, and our cutting them loose to fend for themselves IS basically us saying the exact same thing to the Europeans, claiming they’re to determine their own destiny, and then leave them to die.


142 posted on 05/15/2018 11:41:50 AM PDT by otness_e
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