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Is 'Can't Prove Untrue' The New Standard In Trump Probe?
Townhall.com ^ | April 15, 2018 | Byron York

Posted on 04/25/2018 7:03:15 AM PDT by Kaslin

When a political figure is accused of wrongdoing, a conversation begins among journalists, commentators and public officials. Are the charges true? Can the accusers prove it?

That's the way it normally works. But now, in the case of the Trump dossier -- the allegations compiled by a former British spy hired by the Clinton campaign to gather dirt on presidential candidate Donald Trump -- the generally accepted standard of justice has been turned on its head. Now, the question is: Can the accused prove the charges false? Increasingly, the president's critics argue that the dossier is legitimate because it has not been proven untrue.

It's an argument heard at the highest levels of government, academics and media.

"Not a single revelation in the Steele dossier has been refuted," noted Sen. Dianne Feinstein, top Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee, in February.

In late December, Laurence Tribe, a Harvard law professor, tweeted a message about the allegations against Trump to his followers: "Retweet if, like me, you're aware of nothing in the (Trump) dossier that has been shown to be false."

"The dossier has not been proven false," said MSNBC anchor and former George W. Bush aide Nicolle Wallace in February.

More recently, Chuck Todd, moderator of NBC's "Meet the Press," asked former CIA director John Brennan, "So far with this dossier, nothing yet has been proven untrue. How significant is that?"

"As Jim Comey has said, I think very famously, these were salacious and unverified allegations," Brennan responded. "Just because they were unverified does not mean they were not true."

That's where the Trump dossier story stands today. No one has proved that the most serious allegations are true. But since no one has proved them false, either, some in the political class act as if they were true.

What is still unclear is how much effort the FBI and U.S. intelligence agencies put into trying to prove the dossier's allegations. Fired FBI director James Comey noted in his Jan. 28, 2017 memo that Trump asked that the FBI investigate the dossier's so-called "golden showers" allegation -- the charge that Trump watched as prostitutes performed a kinky sex show in a Moscow hotel room in 2013. Comey, by his own account, demurred.

"I replied that it was up to him," Comey wrote, "but I wouldn't want to create a narrative that we were investigating him, because we are not, and I worried such a thing would be misconstrued. I also said that it is very difficult to disprove a lie."

In an interview with ABC News, Comey repeated the story and added, "It's very difficult to prove something didn't happen."

For his part, Comey still won't vouch for the dossier's truthfulness. Instead, Comey makes a much softer claim, saying that the "core" of the dossier -- the big-picture conclusion that Russia tried to interfere with the 2016 presidential election -- is "consistent with the other information we'd gathered during the intelligence investigation."

By the way, when it comes to the most spectacular allegation in the dossier -- the sex story -- even the dossier's author doesn't have much faith in its veracity.

In the new book "Russian Roulette," authors Michael Isikoff and David Corn note that Christopher Steele, the former British spy who wrote the dossier, once said there was perhaps a 50-50 chance of the Moscow sex episode being true. Glenn Simpson, head of the opposition research company Fusion GPS, which commissioned the dossier, reportedly considered the Russian source for the story a "big talker" who might have made it up to impress Steele.

But now, some leading lights in the political conversation defend the dossier by arguing that it has not been proven untrue -- as if that, instead of proof of truth, were the standard to apply to such consequential allegations.

"Setting aside the absurd and patently unfair 'guilty until proven innocent' standard that thinking requires, it also ignores the fact that the FBI has never tried to disprove it," Republican Rep. John Ratcliffe, a former federal prosecutor who now serves on the House Judiciary Committee, said in a recent text exchange. "When the president asked the FBI to do exactly that, one of Jim Comey's secret memos documents the response: (Comey) told him it is 'very difficult to disprove a lie.'"

Yes, it is. And that's something to keep in mind whenever someone suggests the dossier is worthwhile because it hasn't been proven false.


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To: Kaslin

bkmk


21 posted on 04/25/2018 9:17:10 AM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: caver

“...the Democrats have all exposed themselves for what they truly are....”

.....Stalinist scu&bags, just itching to open the re-education camps.

IMHO


22 posted on 04/25/2018 10:01:18 AM PDT by ripley (ose who dis)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Except in the court of public opinion, telegraphed by biased media with agenda...

If more people acknowledged that the inclusion of sports packages into satellite & cable was to keep people plugged in and that they were supporting the apparatus by their very actions, they would unplug immediately.

Then again, sports are just another extension of the intent of social media...


23 posted on 04/25/2018 10:22:48 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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To: Kaslin

I would endorse a BOYCOTT of all these media establishments who are no longer ‘journalists’, but are proven paid political operatives.

You have the Right to NOT do business with liars/cheats and frauds or to help fund their poisonous political agenda.

Hit them where their real concern lies - in their wallets (it certainly isn’t in the truth).

A case might be even made for many of them going to jail for their abuse of the campaign finance laws and political funding laws (them simply being undeclared paid political operatives) ???

Simplest is just boycott.


24 posted on 04/25/2018 12:51:31 PM PDT by elbook
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To: Kaslin

Ok... I’ve seen documents stating that Chuck Schumer has molested baby sheep and goats over the last 10 years. I can’t say for certain if he has, but I saw the reports and he needs to prove that he hasn’t been doing it.

Say, this is fun!

Mark


25 posted on 04/25/2018 9:25:57 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: freedumb2003

Heh....I like it.


26 posted on 04/27/2018 4:49:41 AM PDT by Liz ((Our side has 8 trillion bullets;the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.))
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