7 Forces Driving America Toward Civil War

Townhall.com ^ | April 21, 2018 | John Hawkins

[arthurus]

Nothing will be restorative without abolishing ALL the buraus and departments and agencies and all their works Also have to restrict Federal land ownership to DC, and millitary bases should be on leases, perpetual leases, but leases nevertheless.

[ReaganGeneration2]

Some of these could be avoided by slow changes (frog in boiling pot), and accepting tyranny over generations.

But this starts one thinking about the potential tipping point events that would prompt future massive crippling riots, or even secessions:
1) a Liberal Supreme Court decision by a new 5th lib judge
2) the loss of federal retirement benefits due to debt
3) large-scale federal gun confiscations
4) states or counties “opting out” of the debt and the whole federal scheme
5) confiscation of 401k’s
6) a president’s impeachment over a non-impeachable offense...

[DuncanWaring]

About the CWII Ping List

The CWII Ping List is short for Civil War II. It is NOT a list of people advocating another Civil War in America. It is a list of people who are interested in the parallels between the Civil War (or War Between the States, if you prefer) and our current situation, or more generally are noting the references to a 'coming Civil War' that are made in the press.

Of course sometimes this is merely a figure of speech, such as "The Tea Parties are fighting a civil war for the heart of the GOP". This would not merit a CWII ping.

On the other hand someone saying something like "The events in California are reminiscent of what happened in Yugoslavia in the period proceeding the Civil War" would merit a ping.

FR rules do not permit advocating for the overthrow of the Republic, and I am not aware of anyone doing so on the list. Still many do see that as the political climate worsens we may be heading in a direction that makes such a conflict all but inevitable, particularly if other avenues for resolving our differences are taken away. Such as widespread vote fraud by leftists making elections meaningless, or a small cadre of judges over-ruling all attempts to end destructive policies over the clear will of the people.

The correct keyword tag for the Civil War II ping list is "CWII". Please Freep Mail me to get on the list

[Xenodamus]

"At some point, probably within the next decade or two, we will face a debt-driven economic collapse"

I think the debt-driven economic collapse is a lot closer than the next decade or two. Maybe the next year or two.

[unread]

"Personally, I think the country is about to turn a corner and head to a much brighter future."

Optimism... I envy you...

I remember the collage kids of the 60's.. That's the liberalism that is fueling all the problems in our nation today.... Today's collage kids are even worse then THAT..!!

In my opinion, the future of our nation looks very poor indeed...

[PeterPrinciple]

When it (gun confiscation) is discussed on the Left, there seems to be an assumption that lone resisters might get into firefights with dozens of police or soldiers, as opposed to ganging up with other formerly law-abiding Americans to waylay gun confiscators, politicians and anti-gun activists at THEIR HOMES in guerrilla actions that would be silently applauded and supported by hundreds of millions of Americans concerned about their freedom.

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In the ministry of dumb question, ask people, what do you think will happen if the liberals win on gun confiscation?

[Kartographer]

The saddest truest thing I have read on FR in a long while. And while many here will look through the lens of their own beliefs I like to point out the sad truth that is is VERY true of all sides: A large number of Americans HAVE LOST their principles, manners and virtue Look no farther than recent post here on FR on the death of Barbara Bush, on Most threads the MODS where deleting post (srubbing filth) before the tenth post and that didn't stop it from continuing though. Mrs Bush was the most un-offenseful of people who carry her duties as First Lady, wife, mother and grandmother with style and class and certainly didn't deserve such hateful speech. You can't lower yourself down the the level of the leftest and not come away with at least some damage to your soul. “Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.” ― Friedrich Nietzsche

[Travis McGee]

You'll need it.

[PeterPrinciple]

The average conservative and the average liberal disagree on 95% of the issues and in the few limited cases where they do look at things the same, they won’t support a proposal by the other out of sheer tribalism.

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Your comments on the author may be true, but many here on FR thought the same about Trump winning. In your reference to the above article, can’t say I disagree with the statement.

[moovova]

“The problem is that the other side doesn’t want that.”

NEITHER side wants that. There are far too many political ticks on both sides of the aisle. They’re attached to the body, fat with our nation’s blood...and none want to give that up.

And, we keep electing these parasites.

[The Great RJ]

Consider if the Democrats do not decisively take Congress in the 2018 elections and run some lunatic like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren for President and Trump is re-elected in 2020. The years of Muellers’s witch hunt have turned up nothing substantial and Trump is neither impeached nor forced to resign. People and even liberals will have long grown tired of Hillary’s ranting about how she was somehow cheated out of the election.

What then for the liberals? Aside from attempting a putsch or Bolshevik style overthrow of an elected government what do they do? My guess is more tribalism, more rankings on CNN and the liberal media until they become irrelevant to the majority of the American people. Watch California as a barometer... the decades of liberal lunacy have reached a tipping point and the state either collapses into a bankrupt third world society or the decent people living there say enough and throw the bums out. I think the latter. Large parts of California are rebelling against the sanctuary policy and are close to even breaking up the state. Liberalism in America may well have reached its zenith and will only decline.

[PeterPrinciple]

To all, Read the article slowly and let your lips move.

It is a very good analysis of the current situation. No solutions are offered. We most likely will have to go through the tough times.

“A house divided cannot stand.............it will be all one or all the other.”

[Brilliant]

It would have to be a constitutional amendment. But that’s not going to happen until the government implodes so there is no one who has a vested interest in opposing it.

[tired&retired]

Moral Decline:

This can be broken out into specific behaviors..

1. Decline of the family unit. Meals in front of TV set. Minimal family communication due to cell and other distractions.

2. Decrease in the value of life. Both pre-birth and lack of care for our elderly.

3. Individual greed.

4. Decline in church worship, being replaced by government worship.

5. Increase in sexual perversion and it’s acceptance in mainstream.

6. Increase in victimhood.

7. Decrease in individual motivation and reliance on the government.

8. Nanny state regulations imposed rather than freedom of choice.

9. Increased reliance on drugs to mask wounds to the soul rather than addressing issues to resolution.

10. Lack of belief in God leaves no Hope when entering mid-life crisis and difficulties are encountered in life.

11. Decrease in the value of community.

[tired&retired]

“Personally, I think the country is about to turn a corner and head to a much brighter future.”

I guess you are looking for a “dead cat bounce!”

I’m in agreement in the long term, but the short term ahead is quite a bumpy road.

[ealgeone]

What's happening now is that the left wants to change the USA into a socialist/quasi communist country without a bloody revolution. They think they can cheat, lie, steal, finesse and slough their way to political victory without out violence. We are not sheep. IT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN THAT WAY!

Bad news for you....it's happening right now.

1913 17th Amendment ratified

1933 FDR elected who implements the New Deal...massive expansion of Federal Government

1934 National Firearms Act

1935 - Social Security (OASDI) made law

1938 Federal Firearms Act

1939 US v Miller

1964 LBJ and Great Society

1968 Gun Control Act

1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act

1993 Brand Handgun Violence Prevention Act

1994 Assault Weapons Ban

2010 Obamacare (Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act)

[DarthVader]

Bookmark

[CodeToad]

Or the grandkids will need it.

Do you remember the short story of the grandkid that was given the cache? It should be reposted.

[Soul of the South]

“Not really, but you are right -partially. In areas like the mid west and most of the south there will be almost zero sectarian violence. The “normals” will rule via state houses and suppress the tiny crazies who will emigrate anyway.”

The south is more divided than it appears. There is a large African American population allied with the progressives of the urban northeast and urban leftist west coast. In addition the white professionals in the large cities (Atlanta, Charlotte, Raleigh, Richmond, Austin, Houston, northern Virginia) are allied with the progressives of the northeast. These progressives, allied with the African American community have already turned Virginia into a red state and are in the process of turning North Carolina and Florida. The urban minorities are well armed and many are organized in gangs. If there is sectarian violence in the future it will intense in the south.

[thirst4truth]

Living in the state of Oregon is not politically fun. But living in a county with a constitutional Sheriff makes it much more tolerable. Oregon is putting a measure on the ballot to ban all large capacity magazines, and any gun that takes them. OUr Sheriff has informed the Oregon legislature just like he informed Obama and Biden in 2013, in a letter.

"It is my position as Sheriff of Douglas County, Oregon, that I will refuse to participate in nor tolerate enforcement actions against citizens that are deemed unconstitutional." He went on, "The United States Supreme Court rules that when a Sheriff chooses to enforce an unconstitutional directive he is violating his Constitutional Oath, I will NOT violate my Constitutional oath."