[riri]

It won't matter. We could be reduced to a one block area of territory and it would be less than a generation before it was fully infiltrated by the left and we'd be right back here.

Ceding ground isn't the answer.

There is only one answer at this point. How we prevent this from happening again, not a clue. But, yeah, fighting back before it gets to this point would have been an option.

[fwdude]

I don’t think a divorce is ceding ground any more than the American Revolution was ceding ground. The issue is states rights against an overruling federal tyrant. If we could abolish the federal government completely, that would be the ideal, leaving states to sovereignly manage themselves, or fall. There would be natural, mutually beneficial confederations of states with like-minded views, and this should be allowed.

Seceding would, in effect, be abolishing the federal government, from the seceding states’ point of view. And that would be the next best thing.