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To: FLT-bird; Uncle Sham; Simon Green; BroJoeK; Bonemaker; wardaddy; Fiji Hill; rockrr

I quote you chapter and verse on an issue and you deny it.

Then I ask readers to just make a plain reading and you agree, LOL.

“Several states had already seceded before Lincoln’s Inaugural Address”

As if the secessionists weren’t waiting on Lincoln’s move.... My point was that secession started as soon as Lincoln was elected, two months before. Again you cherry pick history to try to make a point, and fail.

“How were they going to police a 1500 mile long border?”

Agreed, but the South was seeing little enforcement as a part of the Union and felt that a new national border, rather than open state borders would be more secure.

“Slavery was more safe within the US than it would’ve been outside it.”

You think slavery was better protected within the Union than within the Confederacy? Nonsense.


691 posted on 04/14/2018 11:58:58 AM PDT by gandalftb
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To: gandalftb

I quote you chapter and verse on an issue and you deny it.

Then I ask readers to just make a plain reading and you agree, LOL.

You quote chapter and verse...after misreading what they said. I pointed out the passage from the federalist papers to you showing what they meant and you fail to grasp it. LOL.


“Several states had already seceded before Lincoln’s Inaugural Address”

As if the secessionists weren’t waiting on Lincoln’s move.... My point was that secession started as soon as Lincoln was elected, two months before. Again you cherry pick history to try to make a point, and fail.

You made an assertion and were once again, Wrong. As I demonstrated.


“How were they going to police a 1500 mile long border?”

Agreed, but the South was seeing little enforcement as a part of the Union and felt that a new national border, rather than open state borders would be more secure.

They did? What evidence is there that they felt it would be more secure? If anything, they understood that it would be Less secure - something Lincoln himself along with many others, pointed out. Nobody could dispute it.


You think slavery was better protected within the Union than within the Confederacy? Nonsense.

“But secession, Lincoln argued, would actually make it harder for the South to preserve slavery. If the Southern states tried to leave the Union, they would lose all their constitutional guarantees, and northerners would no longer be obliged to return fugitive slaves to disloyal owners. In other words, the South was safer inside the Union than without, and to prove his point Lincoln confirmed his willingness to support a recently proposed thirteenth amendment to the Constitution, which would specifically prohibit the federal government from interfering with slavery in states where it already existed.” (Klingaman, Abraham Lincoln and the Road to Emancipation, pp. 32-33)


693 posted on 04/14/2018 1:08:51 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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