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To: Zhang Fei
Moore was a lousy candidate. He won by 4% in 2012. Romney, the Yankee Mormon heretic, won AL by 22.4% on the same ballot.

Well now that's just misleading. By this time, most people *HATED* that incompetent moron Barack Obama, and they were highly motivated to get rid of the stupid bastard. A lot of people don't give a crap about down ballot candidates, but you are portraying it as if they had disdain for Moore, which they did not. Moore got more than 50% of the vote, and Romney got 60% of the vote. Romney only got 10% more votes than did Moore, and as I said, there are a lot of people who don't give a crap about down ballot candidates. (this is pretty much the same in most elections in different states as well.)

The very next down ballot Republican candidate only got slightly more votes than did Moore, and this is more representative of how state voters usually regard down ballot candidates.

To make matters worse for Moore, a huge chunk of the Alabama judiciary signed a letter that was published in Several prominent Alabama newspapers endorsing the Democrat candidate running against Moore. A lot of the "establishment" office holders in Alabama didn't like Moore, and so they did what they could to torpedo him.

Moore somehow creates this intense desire among voters who normally vote GOP to pull the lever for the other guy.

No he did not, but people keep repeating this falsehood over and over and now they've got a lot of people who don't do their homework believing this narrative, which has only been put forth to advance the establishment attitude against reform candidates.

In 2012, the voters gave Moore almost as many votes as they gave the next down ballot candidate in that election. If your claim were true, the next guy ( I forgot his name) would have been way ahead of Moore, but in fact he was just very slightly ahead of Moore.

Stop reading your own personal dislikes into your analysis. There are a lot of people who didn't like Moore anyways, and they are trying to convince people that their disdain was shared when in fact this is completely contradicted by the 2012 ballot results from Alabama. I downloaded them and ran the numbers. How about *YOU* down load them, run the numbers, and show some objectivity?

38 posted on 03/27/2018 9:55:16 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Romney only got 10% more votes than did Moore, and as I said, there are a lot of people who don’t give a crap about down ballot candidates.


Roy Moore got 1,051,627 votes compared to Romney’s 1,255,925. That’s 19.42% more votes. The total votes cast for the presidency came to 2,074,338, vs 2,031,117 for the Chief Justice position, a 2% difference. Plenty of GOP voters cast votes for the judgeship. They just cast them for Moore’s opponent.
https://sos.alabama.gov/sites/default/files/voter-pdfs/2012/statecert-amended-general-12-17-2012.pdf

Note that I don’t dislike Moore, who’s a fairly standard-issue strait-laced southern GOP candidate. Moore’s an Eagle Scout compared to Trump, and a Vietnam War combat vet to boot. The problem with Moore is not that he’s a bad person - it’s that his political skills are lacking, and he’s unwilling* to learn any new ones. Trump’s always been a bit of a sleaze from the time I started following his antics back in the 80’s, but he’s a charismatic sleaze. Still, I’d pick Moore over Trump any day of the week. Thing is, Trump wins elections, whereas Moore barely wins even in GOP strongholds.

* Some of the things Moore and Saccone had in common were an unwillingness to take advice and a lack of energy, perhaps rooted in this mystical belief that God would personally come down from his perch to help them win. Moore actually stopped campaigning during the the final days leading up to the election. Whereas Trump seemingly went without sleep, with marathon campaign events right up to the day of the election.
https://www.vdare.com/articles/msm-triumphs-as-gop-establishment-sabotages-winnable-alabama-senate-race


42 posted on 03/27/2018 10:31:37 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

If a Senate seat is a “down ballot candidate only one isn’t.


46 posted on 03/27/2018 11:37:29 PM PDT by arrogantsob (See "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
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