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To: kanawa
Accusing Trump of supporting single-payer using out of context remarks of Trump saying something positive about single payer in Canada and Scotland...

That's a pretty weak nail on which to hang the charge that "Cruz is a liar."

To be fair, what sort of conservative would say anything nice about socialized health care? I doubt many if any would say such a thing. I think his purpose in mentioning it was to point out that Trump should not be regarded as a "conservative", which is exactly what someone should have pointed out if they were running against him in a primary.

Of course he has governed much more conservatively than our previous "conservative" Presidents, and we have learned by now not to pay so much attention to what he says, and to pay more attention to what he does.

During the primaries, we didn't know this.

then when I saw how much more effective Trump was at attracting folks to the MAGA agenda

Me too. I am now so very glad that Trump won the primary, because I don't think Cruz could have won the General, nor could he have been so successful at governing in a conservative manner. Trump knows how to fight.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/feb/25/ted-cruz/cruz-invents-trump-statement-socialized-medicine/

I don't regard "Politifact" as an honest source. They are very liberal, and all their management is very liberal. I see their argument boils down to "Because we have not found the statement that *WE* interpret means the same thing as to which Cruz is referring, it must not exist."

That's not the same as proving that something similar was not said, and they do admit that Trump said "Everybody's got to be covered." and they admit that at one time Trump supported "single payer."

Claiming that Cruz's interpretation of what Trump said is a "lie", and calling him a liar because it disagrees with what other people thought Trump meant is a pretty weak basis to claim he is lying.

If the term "liar" is so loosely defined, then I don't think any of us can survive this standard being applied to us.

336 posted on 03/23/2018 9:26:33 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

It was a pretty weak nail for Cruz to have hung his lie.


340 posted on 03/23/2018 9:41:42 AM PDT by kanawa (Trump Loves a Great Deal)
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To: DiogenesLamp

I don’t consider and I have never considered Trump to be a conservative.
In my eyes, he is an American.


342 posted on 03/23/2018 9:45:47 AM PDT by kanawa (Trump Loves a Great Deal)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Here is the portion of the 1st debate that Cruz later used to base his claim that Trump supported single payer...

https://youtu.be/5zFRjExsfTk?t=47s

To draw from Trump’s comments that he supports a single-payer system in the US
one would have to be more than a little unintelligent and I don’t think that describes Cruz.

The alternative of using a sleazy political tactic to smear Trump, though unexpected, appears to be of much greater likelihood,
and gives more than a little indication of a lack of integrity.

Here is the video of the exchange between Trump and Cruz (10th debate, Huston)

https://youtu.be/pNs4rYv1H_M?t=36s

Look this is more or less a dead horse.
You seemed genuinely curious and asked for an example of a lie that Ted Cruz told.

I gave you one. One that, when it happened, hit me like a sledgehammer.
I think I’m looking at this in an impartial way and providing evidence for,
what to me is clearly, the only realistic and apparent conclusion.

But as I’m wont to say,

Disagree without being Disagreeable
Have a Nice Friday Evening


354 posted on 03/23/2018 10:51:43 AM PDT by kanawa (Trump Loves a Great Deal)
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