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The Supreme Court Will Soon Decide: Uphold The Contract Clause Or Let It Die?
Forbes ^ | March 13, 2018 | George Leef

Posted on 03/13/2018 10:25:57 AM PDT by reaganaut1

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To: veracious

Not the authority, surely. Unfortunately, they seem to posses the power.


21 posted on 03/13/2018 1:11:36 PM PDT by chesley (What is life but a long dialog with imbeciles? - Pierre Ryckmans)
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To: marktwain

Not to mention the 99 billion year contract of Fictionology.


22 posted on 03/13/2018 1:44:08 PM PDT by Waverunner (I'd like to welcome our new overlords, say hello to my little friend)
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To: Boogieman

“I don’t see contracts being nullified outside the bankruptcy process, which is as it should be.”


No? Say I want to contract you to work for me at a rate of $1 per hour, and for some reason you are amenable and agree to the contract. How about then?

That would be an illegal contract to begin with.


How about when family court judges decide to void prenuptial contracts about division of assets because the judge decides on a whim that the contract is “unfair”?

Never heard of such. But sounds wrong to me.


Or how about when a court decides that companies whose employment contracts limited health benefits to spouse and children must now extend those to homosexual partners?

I don’t recall ever signing an employment contract that stipulated insurance conditions, but I’ve been retired for some time, now, so I can’t say what is current.

Anyway, what I was clumsily trying to say is that widespread breach of contract doesn’t appear to be a phenom, while the biggest debt bubble in the country seems to be govt and civilian unions retirement obligations that heve no way of ever being fulfilled. If the state can’t get out from under those, you’ll all be slaves to the unions.


23 posted on 03/13/2018 2:02:11 PM PDT by sparklite2 (See more at Sparklite Times)
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To: sparklite2

“That would be an illegal contract to begin with.”

What’s the practical difference between the state deciding to void one specific contract, or the state deciding that a whole class of contracts are “illegal”?


“If the state can’t get out from under those, you’ll all be slaves to the unions.”

Well, the states may go bankrupt, but thankfully, citizens are free to exit the state and let the state worry about those ill-considered contract obligations.


24 posted on 03/13/2018 2:50:03 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

It’s the ‘clean hands,’ thing. Courts won’t enforce contracts where a party is doing something criminal, like paying less then the minimum wage. Though it makes you wonder how ‘interns’ can get nothing but the experience.


25 posted on 03/13/2018 2:54:11 PM PDT by sparklite2 (See more at Sparklite Times)
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To: Boogieman
“That would be an illegal contract to begin with.” What’s the practical difference between the state deciding to void one specific contract, or the state deciding that a whole class of contracts are “illegal”?

Even in the Founders' day, there was a well-recognized rule that certain contracts were void as illegal. The difference is that if the rule that made the contract illegal was written in the law before the parties entered into the contract, it did not upset anyone's legitimate expectations; what the contracts clause of the Constitution prohibited was making a contract, which was legal when entered into, retroactively unenforceable.

26 posted on 03/13/2018 4:30:13 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

what the contracts clause of the Constitution prohibited was making a contract, which was legal when entered into, retroactively unenforceable.


There has been a whole lot of that going on.


27 posted on 03/13/2018 4:39:29 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: sparklite2

When the 401K bubble bursts, it will be worse.


28 posted on 03/14/2018 12:36:58 PM PDT by redgolum
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Is it your contention that the framers were cool with paper money?

Hint: Not a fv&$ing chance. They had just went through a period of ruinous hyperinflation due to printed money and knew exactly the problems and temptations involved.


29 posted on 03/14/2018 1:46:15 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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Is it your contention that the framers were cool with paper money?

All I know is that they listed making paper money legal tender among the list of things that states were not permitted to do, and did not explicitly ban Congress from doing it.

30 posted on 03/14/2018 3:52:18 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

You didn’t answer the question.

There is no question that congress was empowered to regulate the value thereof.

What we are talking about here is the unit of account. Contracts were written that specified payment in terms of gold coin. When said contract is 99 year lease that makes a certain amount of sense doesn’t it?

Here in Ioway it was an interesting case. The leaseholder was getting a sweetheart deal, because once the federal government reneged on gold bonds, forbade the payment of gold clause contracts they were able to rent a downtown skyscraper (such as it was, it’s Des Moines, work with me here) for a couple thousand dollars a month.

See how that works? Paper money becomes increasingly worth less over time, eventually becoming worthless. The building owner was able to demand payment in gold (or value of); it was complicated but the courts ruled that gold clause contracts are once again enforceable.

Still, how can a contract mean anything when the fundamental unit of account isn’t defined? An acre of land doesn’t get smaller over time. A gallon of milk doesn’t change. We don’t hear on the radio news broadcasts that “The yard lost several inches against the meter in heavy overnight measuring overseas.”

But with money, all of sudden, they act like it’s some kind of g@$%#amn mystery, and unknowable. BS. Don’t be fooled.


31 posted on 03/15/2018 9:08:50 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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