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The STEM Glut
Accuracy in Academia ^ | March 7, 2018 | Malcolm A. Kline

Posted on 03/08/2018 9:17:43 AM PST by Academiadotorg

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To: miserare

The Joint American Consortium for Keeping Wholesome Academic Degrees, JACKWAD, has ruled that because of the word ‘masters’ being associated with slavery, the Masters Degree will henceforth be referred to as Bachelor Number Two.


61 posted on 03/08/2018 10:37:15 AM PST by sparklite2 (See more at Sparklite Times)
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To: Academiadotorg

STEM bump for later....


62 posted on 03/08/2018 11:07:39 AM PST by indthkr
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To: Cowboy Bob

That is the key question.


63 posted on 03/08/2018 11:16:46 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Honestly, it distorts the cultural norms in the STEM workplace. You might be a plain-old-American, but you still might find you need to wear your Bangalore hat on the job.


64 posted on 03/08/2018 11:20:11 AM PST by Mmmike
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To: Academiadotorg

Seems this article reduces the job prospects for PhD’s to “tenure track professors”. I’d call that a false premise. Myself, I never even considered that career choice. I’m very glad to be working outside the university world.


65 posted on 03/08/2018 11:21:03 AM PST by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building.)
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To: Edward.Fish

Well, not to beat this poor horse too raw, but your take on the phrase is correct only if there is only one mentor ‘for all the PhDs in science. If there are multiple students and multiple mentors out there, then we would need to say “...a hard time getting JOBS like their mentors’.”

Sorry; I don’t mean to be like that. I should’ve just left it alone.


66 posted on 03/08/2018 11:43:02 AM PST by Migraine ((A smartass who is right can be downright funny. A smartass who is wrong is just a smartass.))
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To: Academiadotorg
"Postgraduates, after four years of college, were able to get their PhDs in four or five years. They usually got a tenure-track job at a reasonable university right after graduating. Not now, though. An oversupply of nascent scientists has been the rule since at least 2010 and not just in the U.S. The Economist, in an article called 'The Disposable Academic,' wrote that 'universities have discovered that PhD students are cheap, highly motivated and disposable labour.'"

If I owned a college or university, one would only be eligible for any kind of tenure if one had spent at least ten (preferably twenty) years working for a real company in the field they want to teach. The only people I'd (maybe) hire fresh out of school would be education majors or janitors.
67 posted on 03/08/2018 11:49:09 AM PST by Svartalfiar
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To: Cowboy Bob
Why are we importing so many STEM graduates from India via H-1B?

Not just importing STEM graduates. We are giving student visas to Indians and Chinese to come here and study STEM, at which point they would get an H1B at graduation, or do research work at universities as low-paid help. All of which cripples our native STEM pool.

68 posted on 03/08/2018 11:49:43 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Big governent is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: mikesmad

That’s my sense too.


69 posted on 03/08/2018 12:26:25 PM PST by Crucial
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

There is undoubtedly some crossover.


70 posted on 03/08/2018 12:27:48 PM PST by Crucial
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To: neverevergiveup

Corporations and universities like foreign labor, even educated foreign labor, because it’s cheaper.


71 posted on 03/08/2018 12:30:09 PM PST by Crucial
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To: Academiadotorg

In Engineering, a Masters will get you well over 100k starting pay. In real Engineering, not Industrial or Civil.

But PhD’s are looked upon as non-productive. They never actually finish much. Large companies might have 1 for every 500 people, and stick them in a lab. They write decent reports, suitable for, say, backup for FDA reporting requirements. But utterly worthless in new product development, where dates must be met.


72 posted on 03/08/2018 12:33:26 PM PST by Basket_of_Deplorables (SEDITION! Obama DOJ colluded to try overthrow the President!)
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To: Crucial

They have a love/hate relationship with labor that has a thick accent. Eventually, IT management gets tired of the heat from other departments and goes back to domestic workers. Clients of outsourced IT get tired of hearing “I can’t get you an answer until tomorrow”. The lack of communication is very frustrating.


73 posted on 03/08/2018 12:37:32 PM PST by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
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To: rsobin
There is a definite dearth of fully competent Americans.

BS. It is hard to find them to work at below market rates like H-1b's.

74 posted on 03/08/2018 12:39:49 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: Frank Sheed

Frank? The real Frank, or a mysterious substitute?


75 posted on 03/08/2018 12:40:23 PM PST by Tax-chick ( Why not give up a bad habit today?)
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To: Da Coyote

Sadly they use mandatory environmental courses now to brainwash STEM students. Back in my day when I got my BSME there was no such thing and we were very insulated to anti-American college liberalism and the eviro-wacko movement. I’m afraid that is no longer true. Engineers graduate these days with words like “ecofriendly”, “footprint”, and “sustainability” as part of their lexicon, i.e. Kool-Aid drinkers.


76 posted on 03/08/2018 12:47:45 PM PST by 3boysdad (The very elect.)
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To: Crucial
“Corporations and universities like foreign labor, even educated foreign labor, because it’s cheaper.”

It used to be cheaper to have foreign post-docs in university-based research, but for years now it has been mandated that they make the same as US graduates. It is no cheaper to have ‘foreign’ PhDs in university settings. Plus, once you put in place foreign PhDs, they recruit from their country of origin, and it becomes a self-perpetuating process.

77 posted on 03/08/2018 12:53:46 PM PST by neverevergiveup
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To: sparklite2

ROFL!


78 posted on 03/08/2018 1:39:35 PM PST by miserare ( Hillary--you lost! Get over it!!)
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To: Basket_of_Deplorables

The only PhDs I worked with included a window dressing PhD hired to make the multinational corporation’s enviro image look serious. He was wildly overqualified for the work he was doing.

The other I knew pretty well. He was a tech rep for Eastman Kodak, and after knowing him for years, he confided that he held a doctorate, but didn’t want it known. I guess he thought the lab owners would be put off by it, but that’s just a guess.


79 posted on 03/08/2018 1:54:07 PM PST by sparklite2 (See more at Sparklite Times)
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To: Basket_of_Deplorables

Interesting Insight.


80 posted on 03/08/2018 2:40:20 PM PST by Academiadotorg
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