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The STEM Glut
Accuracy in Academia ^ | March 7, 2018 | Malcolm A. Kline

Posted on 03/08/2018 9:17:43 AM PST by Academiadotorg

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To: Cowboy Bob
Why are we importing so many STEM graduates from India via H-1B?

Because they're cheaper than American STEM grads.

41 posted on 03/08/2018 9:57:02 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: mikesmad; Zathras

Anyone with “hard” engineering, software programming or math skills are in high demand. From someone working in the field. Cheers!


42 posted on 03/08/2018 9:57:11 AM PST by Shark24
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To: Academiadotorg

Thankfully, we don’t have a glut in womyn’s studies, art history, and journalism.

We need more of these critical fields.
/sarc


43 posted on 03/08/2018 9:57:20 AM PST by oldbill
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To: Frank Sheed

Another oldie: BS...Bull $hit...MS...More $hit...PhD...Piled Higher and Deeper.


44 posted on 03/08/2018 9:57:35 AM PST by miserare ( Hillary--you lost! Get over it!!)
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To: Academiadotorg

They’re looking at the wrong part of STEM. The shortage isn’t in PHDs teaching the next wave, it’s in non-PHDs doing the actual work.


45 posted on 03/08/2018 9:58:29 AM PST by discostu (It's been so long, welcome back my friend, to the show, that never ends.)
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To: Frank Sheed

From Ghostbusters: “you’ve never worked in the private sector. They expect results!”


46 posted on 03/08/2018 9:58:38 AM PST by shotgun
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To: Academiadotorg

PhD’s looking to be professors are a different market than most STEM grads.


47 posted on 03/08/2018 9:59:26 AM PST by redgolum
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To: mikesmad

I think you are correct, this academia.


48 posted on 03/08/2018 10:02:55 AM PST by phormer phrog phlyer
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To: mikesmad
I think the glut is in PhD’s only. Engineers and technicians are still in high demand.


49 posted on 03/08/2018 10:04:46 AM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Cowboy Bob
“Why are we importing so many STEM graduates from India via H-1B?”

That is the tip of the iceberg. Biomedical science is extremely heavy with non-Americans, including a ton from China. Further, these groups tend to stick together and support each other in peer review for grants, etc., and it has become a mafia of sorts. My solution? A limit for the percentage of non-Americans receiving federal grant funding at any institution at any given time needs to be imposed. These are dollars from American taxpayers, and should not be given with impunity to non-citizens.

Biomedical science, and the development of drugs, devices, new therapies, etc. has been an area in which the US has led the world. It should have been nurtured as a big exportable positive in the US portfolio. Instead, we've brought in tons of non-citizens - forcing a glut on the market, we've tried over and over again politically to ruin our medical system, and we subsidize the medical systems of other nations - as citizens of those nations pay less for American discoveries, drugs, devices, etc. than do American citizens.

This is a major area that needs to be addressed.

50 posted on 03/08/2018 10:05:55 AM PST by neverevergiveup
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To: Cowboy Bob
Why are we importing so many STEM graduates from India via H-1B?

Because of HR policies.

51 posted on 03/08/2018 10:08:55 AM PST by Edward.Fish
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To: Academiadotorg

I could have told them this ten years ago.

Biological Sciences degrees, especially, are useful only as toilet paper these days. Unless you’re going into something specialized, like medicine. As for Veterinary, if you’re male, forget it.


52 posted on 03/08/2018 10:09:07 AM PST by Kriggerel ("All great truths are hard and bitter, but lies... are sweeter than wild honey" (Ragnar Redbeard))
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To: Zathras; angcat

For all the STEM types graduating, there will be a deficient supply of “full stack” engineers. If she has the aptitude, make sure - literally - understands at least the core concepts of: how to start with a pile of sand, refine it into semiconductor-grade silicon, lay out circuits thereon, design basic logic components from NAND gates, build a basic CPU, write a simple operating system & compiler, program from assembler to C to Swift/Java, create & use a network (wired & wireless), and write apps for a leading-edge “mobile device”.

That’s a lot of hardware on the way to software, but methinks today there’s a terrifying lack of software engineers who don’t actually know how any of the “magic” works. Those who do will stand out from the STEM crowd.


53 posted on 03/08/2018 10:09:10 AM PST by ctdonath2 (The Red Queen wasn't kidding.)
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To: Maine Mariner

The same thing is happening out here in California.

Few grads from our Maritime Academy go to sea more than once. PGE and other companies are gobbling them up.


54 posted on 03/08/2018 10:10:29 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Never pick a fight with an angry hornet's nest of 63+ million Trump Deplorables. You will lose!)
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To: Migraine

>> “It turns out that new PhDs in science have a hard time getting a job like their mentor’s:
>
> Speaking of Accuracy in Academia, either put the apostrophe in the right place, or leave it out — depending on the intended meaning.

That’s actually correct: Mentor-possessive with implicit ‘job’. (ie “they have a hard time getting a job like their mentor’s job.”)


55 posted on 03/08/2018 10:15:26 AM PST by Edward.Fish
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To: Academiadotorg
I dunno, in general my RoT is that a STEM major won't ever go hungry.

I'm sure that you can over-educate yourself, though. In IT, sure, I'd love to see "B.S." on a resume. "M.S."? Maybe, depending on what it's in. "PhD"? I'd wonder why they were applying for the job....not too many PhDs in the work that I do. And, I'd wonder how long they'd stick around, particularly in a entry-level, or 2-3 years experience type job.

I thought about getting my MBA for about 5 minutes, until I found out that there was such a glut of them on the market that the place where I was hired MBAs to work the phones at 11-12 bucks an hour.

Never Mind.

56 posted on 03/08/2018 10:18:21 AM PST by wbill
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To: Grampa Dave

They have hands on experience and can fix most anything engine related. Many of our grads obtain their stationary engineer’s license and a good number work for their PE license.


57 posted on 03/08/2018 10:22:24 AM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: Academiadotorg

I am sure the “E” in there is in high demand. Naval staring scientists, probably not so much.


58 posted on 03/08/2018 10:23:34 AM PST by vpintheak (Freedom is not equality; and equality is not freedom!)
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To: Cowboy Bob
Why are we importing so many STEM graduates from India via H-1B?

Because they're being brought here at 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of an American worker. Problem is, the India workers are highly specialized vs. American workers that have multiple specialties / highly skilled generalists.

So that initial "savings" the beancounters think they're getting vis a vis displacing American workers for H-1B's disappears pretty quickly when they have to bring in three, four, five of them to make up for the skills of one American worker.

I'm NOT making these numbers up. I've been through this drill twice now, am on my third with my current employer. It's an ugly thing to watch.

59 posted on 03/08/2018 10:26:49 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Academiadotorg

Uh, the article does not match the headline.

The headline is about STEM jobs, which cover a huge range of fields.

The article is about a glut in tenure track positions for Ph.Ds in research universities, which is a miniscule part of the STEM world.


60 posted on 03/08/2018 10:33:47 AM PST by Flash Bazbeaux
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