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1 posted on 03/07/2018 9:14:46 PM PST by huckfillary
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Somewhere this is a quote by Jefferson Davis who made clear that even though they lost the civil war, the issues of state’s rights will continue until they are resolved.


2 posted on 03/07/2018 9:16:54 PM PST by bioqubit (bioqubit: Educated Men Make Terrible Slaves - Aristotle)
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Sure, if you win the war.


3 posted on 03/07/2018 9:22:41 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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Let California go, 3,000,000 less Demonrat votes, and Fifty less Electoral. Go Ca Go


4 posted on 03/07/2018 9:26:07 PM PST by heights
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I smell Venezuela on the Pacific.

And the potential for a great buying opportunity.


5 posted on 03/07/2018 9:29:38 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ("Washington, DC. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious")
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So, what authority has the Federal government exceeded in regards to California?


6 posted on 03/07/2018 9:31:34 PM PST by taxesareforever (Islam is an ideology. It is NOT a religion.)
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....a 6th grade history class would have taught many Californian idiots that Federal Immigration law trumps state immigration law......in other words, its the Federal government’s purvey to dictate immigration policy and law, not the frakin’ state.


7 posted on 03/07/2018 9:31:39 PM PST by cranked
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Cute. So Mexican Separatism is an issue of State’s Rights?

No Americans in California voted to legitimize the current secession of California. Only an invading population from an enemy nation.

So it’s not legitimate.


10 posted on 03/07/2018 9:43:25 PM PST by Regulator
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You can't truly outlaw secession from a country, because the seceding party is renouncing the authority of the country. The seceding party is already pissed-off at the country, so the seceding party will not care about anything the country has to say.

The Founding Fathers knew that a secession crisis could not be handled via the Constitution. It would have to dealt with by people in the moment. So while the Constitution speaks of secession from a State (Article IV, Section 3, Clause 1), it is silent about secession from the United States.

11 posted on 03/07/2018 9:43:40 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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I could not be more serious right now... Let California go.


16 posted on 03/07/2018 10:00:15 PM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw
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I think secession IS illegal, a violation of the Constitution. However, that does not mean it would always be morally wrong. The American revolution was a kind of “secession.”


18 posted on 03/07/2018 10:17:07 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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This will get ugly and out of control.


20 posted on 03/07/2018 10:24:47 PM PST by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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The 10th amendment gives powers not granted to the federal government to the states OR the people, not the states AND the people as stated in this article. Or implies a definite distinction between powers belonging to the states and powers belonging to the people.

My state doesn’t have the power to tell me I am no longer a US citizen and the Confederate states didn’t have the power to tell loyal Americans in those states that they were stripped of their citizenry. And there were plenty of people in those states that wished to remain in the Union.

The South tried to leave the Union by mob rule.


21 posted on 03/07/2018 10:26:04 PM PST by hirn_man
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I hate to tell you but Sessions will NEVER read your “open letter”. You may have a better chance if you change the title to something to do with busting 80 year old cancer patients for possession of medical marijuana. Thats pretty much all he is really “serious” about.


27 posted on 03/08/2018 3:16:54 AM PST by TonyM (UPS)
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For later


28 posted on 03/08/2018 4:06:42 AM PST by kalee
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Nullification is not constitutional. Article VI, Clause 2 makes that clear. Secession is another matter. There is no reason to believe that secession isn’t possible since there is nothing in the Constitution that forbids it, explicitly or implicitly. The question is how to go about it, and James Madison gave what is likely the best process: “A rightful secession requires the consent of the others, or an abuse of the compact, absolving the seceding party from the obligations imposed by it.”


30 posted on 03/08/2018 4:17:01 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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I'm OK with it, as long as the parts of California that don't want to secede can secede back.

Result: A lefty dictatorship but with no agricultural sector to ruin.

32 posted on 03/08/2018 4:26:01 AM PST by Salman (I don't do Facebook, and neither should you.)
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Yes it is. Lincoln settled this in the 1860s.


33 posted on 03/08/2018 4:33:12 AM PST by DownInFlames
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The question to be asked relates to purging

Can California et al be purged from the Republic


34 posted on 03/08/2018 4:38:21 AM PST by Thibodeaux (The FISA judge is corrupt)
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I think secession is perfectly legal - but California has not seceded from the Union, and when it does, it does not get to keep the post offices and post roads, forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings provided and owned by the People of the United States.

California can purchase them (with the consent of Congress), can provide rights of way for access to Federal property, or can make war on the United States to ratify seizure of our property and take their chances with the outcome.

35 posted on 03/08/2018 4:46:17 AM PST by Jim Noble (Single payer is coming. Which kind do you like?)
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Powers not delegated to the feds remain with the states. That gives states a lot of autonomy, properly understood. That does not authorize secession. And it does not authorize mutiny.

Further, immigration law is federal. States can not make immigration law. They can however enforce it... the Obama era Supreme Court ruling against Arizona was mistaken. I suppose we have to live with it until the Court corrects itself, but states enforce federal law as a matter of course.

Whether or not they help enforce federal law on this issue, they certainly cannot obstruct its enforcement or forbid its enforcement. While it may be politically problematic to go after elected California officials criminally, legally that is what should happen.

States rights mean there will always be tension between the feds and the states, for good reason. Oppression and abuse of power can come from either side, and “separation of powers” is what gives you recourse; if the feds abuse their power, you turn to the states for protection and redress. If the states abuse their power, you turn to the feds. Right now, on this issue, California is wrong (and under Obama, Arizona was right).


36 posted on 03/08/2018 4:50:19 AM PST by marron
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