Posted on 02/26/2018 6:55:37 PM PST by LumberJack53213
Relieved that they and their loved ones are alive.
You must play the violin.
A 21-year-old would-be carjacker was shot and killed by his intended victim early Monday, Milwaukee officials said.
The man, whose name has not been released, was armed with a gun and trying to carjack a 24-year-old man who was heading into work shortly before 6 a.m. Monday, Milwaukee Police Capt. Andra Williams said.
The 24-year-old had a valid concealed carry license and fatally shot the man, said Ald. Cavalier Johnson, who called a news conference late Monday about the shooting.
The incident occurred outside a business in the 8800 block of W. Fond du Lac Ave. and was the first reported fatal shooting in Johnson’s northwest side district this year.
The shooter, who lives outside the city, stayed at the scene, gave a voluntary statement and is cooperating with the investigation, Williams said.
Police believe a second car may have been involved with the attempted carjacking and are searching for a green Chrysler Pacifica, Williams said.
Officers also are investigating whether the 21-year-old is linked to any other crimes, he said.
Dems outraged.
100% good shoot.
“Auto theft is not a reason to take a life.”
Where did you get that silly idea from? Police here have killed 5 or 6 thieves in the past couple years. When they get cornered they usually try to run through the officers who then unload on the thug and don’t stop shooting until they run out of bullets and the car stops moving.
The perp made a simple statistical error. The probability of a successful carjacking is much greater if the victim is unarmed and female, or elderly and disabled, etc. The perp calculated wrongly, the victim was none of the above.
For those of you have studied finance, most would agree, the perp did not get a good return on his investment. If he was going to risk his life, then he should have waited for an the right opportunity to carjack something of greater value.
Ironically, given the personal debt situation today, the victim’s car loan was probably underwater and he was barely making the payments. He might have given up the car and walked away if the perp had not pulled a gun.
Math is your friend. Which is why everyone should stay in school, get an education, and learn to speak English if they want to be successful in their future endeavors.
Lastly, I’m sure the perp was working on his degree in rocket science and needed the car to get to/from school. Or perhaps, just one more carjacking and he would have paid off his student loans. Oh the humanatee.
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What an annoying site. My reading of this important article was interrupted 3 times by pop up ads that blocked the text. I finally gave up. The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel has really become a worthless rag!
Pop up ads - hmmm. I seem to remember something like that back when I used IE4. I haven't seen them in years. Are they still around? (Brave, Firefox with AdBlock and NoScript user here).
Did you think I couldn’t click on a link? Is there any purpose to your post?
It’s not what you think... people protecting themselves do not think in terms of killing - they think in terms of saving their own skin.
The most dangerous thing armed homeowners do when sensing a burger is in their home is say, “STOP OR I’LL SHOOT”. At that point the lowlife (who has no sense of fair play) points his gun in the direction of the voice and kills the homeowner. The homeowner who doesn’t want to shoot the lowlife without giving him warning is dead. Feeling ‘guilt’ about defending yourself against a criminal is a fool’s game. They’re horrible people.
We know this about lowlife criminals. They don’t give a damn about anyone but themselves. They feel ZERO guilt... If an honest person kills a criminal in self defense the rest of us need to let good guy know he’s likely done the world a favor.
Um, the guy had a gun and was ROBBING him....that definitely qualifies.
These are from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
Um, the guy had a gun and was ROBBING him....that definitely qualifies.
Unless you are a CC instructor, I am going to disagree with you.
ROBBING someone does not constitute life threatening. At least that is what I was taught in my CC course. We had to go thru numerous scenarios and determine if it was a legal use of CC. Merely robbing someone is not justification...
That IS my point...
From the article:
“Once the investigation is complete, officers will refer the case to the Milwaukee County District Attorney’s Office so prosecutors can determine whether it was justified self-defense.”
Anyone who has CC, hopefully has purchased liability insurance and has retained a lawyer experienced in defending CC holders.
It could be that the shooter was afraid for his life, was verbally threatened, etc. and it will be deemed justified, but I don’t believe it will be be solely on basis of robbery.
The display of a weapon by the perpetrator is typically viewed as a threat of felony violence and is justification for using deadly force.
In many states castle doctrine applies to your vehicle as well
If a firearm is pointed at you with the criminal’s finger on the trigger, this is a life threatening event.
Well,, since you did not state you were a CC instructor, I actually contacted mine...He was speaking for IL law.
Grey area...
This could be a forceable felony which is handled differently—you see someone beating someone with a brick hurting, taking their taking life...kidnapping, child abduction or rape ... So this particular case could weigh differently on the courts.
However, in general has be great bodily harm threat and you cannot flee...unless Stand Your Ground applies. I do research, so I checked...In Wisconsin they have Stand Your Ground; however, if you or they are in reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm.
Many questions...was the gun displayed? Article did not state that. Was the carjacker in the car and pointing gun? In Wisc. Castle Law stands; however, that is not true in IL where I live.
I would suggest that you take a CC course because then you will learn how the law works in your state...and how grey areas can be.
Your original comment: “Um, the guy had a gun and was ROBBING him....that definitely qualifies,” is not correct. Dangerous to post that lest uninformed think it is OK to shoot someone robbing them. Again, better have good insurance policy and lawyer for impending civil suit.
In Wisconsin: From website:
https://www.grievelaw.com/MilwaukeeCriminalDefenseAttorneyBlog/WisconsinCastleDoctrineExplained
In Wisconsin, the law on self-defense generally states you may employ lethal force to defend yourself or another if you or they are in reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm. Castle Doctrine changes the rules of retreat and when one can use force in their dwelling, workplace or motor vehicle to provide heightened protections from both criminal prosecution and civil liability if one uses defensive force.
The court or jury may no longer consider whether the actor (a homeowner in his home, business owner or operator in their business or motorist in their motor vehicle) had the opportunity to flee. You may now “stand your ground” in these locations. Now, if someone breaks in the front door of your dwelling, or is in the process of breaking in the front door you do not need to flee out the back door; instead you may choose to stand your ground and the new law shall presume you reasonably believed lethal force was necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm.
With Castle Doctrine, when an actor uses force intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm (such as shooting another person) there exists civil immunity, “stand your ground” protection, and presumption that the actor, who is otherwise not breaking the law themselves (sorry to anyone dealing drugs from their kitchen), did reasonably believe they were in reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm when they knew or reasonably believed someone unlawfully and forcibly entered their dwelling, motor vehicle or place of business. Translation: you no longer have to wait until that 3 A.M. bedroom intruder brandishes a knife at you before employing enough force to stop the threat.
It is important to understand what Castle Doctrine does not do. It does not allow a person to use lethal force against an invited dinner guest who remarks that your wife’s meatloaf is overdone, or that your beer is too warm. Hopefully that went without saying, and if it came as a surprise then I strongly urge you to contact one of our Milwaukee firearm attorneys sooner rather than later.
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While this may seem cut-and-dry to some, there can be a considerable amount of ambiguity involved when it comes down to law enforcement and the court system. Our Milwaukee gun lawyers suggest you speak with one of our highly experienced Wisconsin firearm attorneys for need-to-know information from lawyers who specialize in Wisconsin firearm laws. We also encourage you to enroll in a Wisconsin firearm training course, such as one offered by the American Association of Certified Firearm Instructors (AACFI.com), so you are comfortable, confident and safe when handling a gun.
Remember, it is far less expensive to take a Wisconsin firearm class and talk to an experienced Milwaukee firearm attorney rather than be charged with multiple felonies from an incident which was mishandled. Take the time to protect yourself and your family with more than just a box of ammunition; protect them with knowledge (legal and firearm)!
“Auto theft is not a reason to take a life.”
Having a gun pointed at you certainly is.
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Agree. If you are in fear for your life. But, having someone take your car and you kill them, you’ll go to jail.
Trying to run through the officers with a car is assault with a deadly weapon.
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