“Attempts to make such behaviors acceptable to Christians by torturing scripture into meaning what it has never meant, all in the spirit of ‘inclusiveness’ and acceptance is therefore wrong.”
Agreed. I have an in-law who was ostracized from his natural family for this very thing. He has a relative who attends church, sings in the choir, and even admits that homosexual behavior is sin. Yet she attended a so-called gay wedding to show her tolerance and love. The ironic thing is that she also showed extreme intolerance and publicly criticized this in-law for his public stand against this “marriage.” She even accused him of being in a cult.
“The Biblical ‘reprobate mind’ represents the point of no return, they cannot repent because they cannot see that what theyre doing is wrong therefore they cannot be ashamed, i.e. theyre shameless.”
I have heard a number of other people state the same. While I do not find a very specific statement in the Bible that says as much, the examples in the Bible do seem to be consistent with that interpretation.
My position, which is merely an opinion, is that it may be possible for someone who is reprobate to be brought to repentance by God, but it is exceedingly rare. But I also do not have a problem with those who hold the view that it is, as you described it, the “point of no return.”
That being said, the Bible is very clear that some homosexuals have been brought to repentance and faith in Christ. We also have a Biblical example of a church-going man who was involved in incest. He was put out of the church of Corinth, but ultimately came to repentance and restoration.
And thus my point in this thread: there is a distinction in Romans 1 between those who are homosexual and those who have gone even further into depravity who are described as “reprobate.” There are certainly reprobate homosexuals, or those who identify as homosexual.
Yes, homosexuality is a grievous sin and abomination to God, but it is possible for homosexuals to receive forgiveness and eternal salvation in Christ if they repent of their sins (including but not limited to homosexual lusts and deeds) and trust in Christ.
There are those who know that what they’re doing is wrong, whether that’s homosexual behavior or some other wrong behavior, i.e. sin. These individuals are capable of shame and regret, which leads to repentance. They have not passed that Biblical point of no return, the “reprobate mind” to which they’re given over. Others actively attack anyone who dares to criticize their behavior, not only do they not think it’s wrong, they think it’s something to be proud of. Reprobate mind.
"I have an in-law who was ostracized from his natural family for this very thing.
He has a relative who attends church, sings in the choir, and even admitsthat homosexual behavior is sin.
Yet she attended a so-called gay weddingto show her tolerance and love.
The ironic thing is that she also showed extreme intolerance
and publicly criticized this in-lawfor his public stand against this marriage.
She even accused him of being in a cult."
Okay ... let's take a very good look at this situation.
It DEMONSTRATES
"WHY" our Heavenly Father through His Son,
commanded us to
"... separate yourselves from the people of the land,and from the strange wives";
and
"WHY" He commanded we
"cut off ... the very souls that commit .... these abominations ... from among their people"
WHY ?
So I say AGAIN,
HOMOSEXUALS had to "EARN their REPROBATE MIND" by
refusing God ~ not once, ~ not twice, ~ but THREE times!
You need to
not only read, BUT STUDY this link I especially agree with its last paragraph.
" The Church NEVER can and NEVER will give satisfactionand the homosexualist knows it,
for he knows the words against him are INERADICABLE
to the declared and impenitent homosexual,the person who, through an act of the vermiculate will,has identified his person with a sin,whether HE DEMANDS ACCEPTANCE OF HIS SINthrough "love,"
or VINDICATIONTHROUGH IDENTIFICATION OF HIS PERCEIVED ENEMIES AS BIGOTS.
Whether HE PRESENTS HIMSELF as an object of love or indignation,what HE DEMANDS in either case IS ACCEPTANCEnot of the person,but OF THE SIN-bound and SIN-DEFINED person.
HE DEMANDS the declaration of SPIRITUAL AUTHORITY thatTHERE IS NOTHING OBJECTIVELY DISORDERED about this BINDING OF MAN TO SIN,and ASSURANCE that THIS MONSTROUS AMALGAM can indeed ENTER the kingdom of heaven.
This can NEVER HAPPEN among Christians UNTIL THEY ABANDON Christianity,WHICH IS AT WAR WITH EVERY SIN,and whose indelible constitutionplaces ALL PERVERSIONS of the perfect manAT THE MUZZLE of its canons. "
There will be NO HOMOSEXUALS ( NOT ONE ) in the afterlife.
They WILL BE
ASHES UNDER the soles of your feet ! ! !
And you end your comment with the following:
"Yes, homosexuality is a grievous sin and abomination to God, but it is possible for homosexuals to receive forgiveness and eternal salvation in Christ IF they repent of their sins(including but not limited to homosexual lusts and deeds)
and trust in Christ."
Now lets go back to
Isaiah 65:
"There shall be no more thence an infant of days,nor an old man that hath not filled his days:
for the child shall die an hundred years old;but the sinner being an hundred years old
WHY ?
BECAUSE THEY REFUSE TO
OBEY GOD ! Read closer in Isaiah 65:
"I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good,after their own thoughts;
A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;
Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments,
which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;
Which say,
Stand by thyself, come not near to me;for I am holier than thou.
These are a smoke in my nose,a fire that burneth all the day.
Behold, it is written before me:I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom,Your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together,which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills:
therefore will I measure their former work INTO THEIR BOSOM.
But let's continue:
" ... Thus saith the Lord,As the new wine is found in the cluster, so will I do for my servants' sakes,that I may NOT destroy them ALL.
But ye are they that forsake the Lord,that forget my holy mountain,
that prepare a table for that troop,
and that furnish the drink offering unto THAT number.
Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter:
because when I called, ye did not answer;
when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes,and did choose that wherein I delighted not.
Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry:
behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty:
behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed:
Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen:for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: ... "
Now let's go the
look at the bigger view.
"... And when the thousand years are expired,Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth,to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about,
and fire came down from God out of heaven,And THE DEVIL THAT DECEIVED THEM was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone,where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it,from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away;and there was found no place for them.
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God;and the books were opened:and another book was opened,which is the book of life:
and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books,according TO THEIR WORKS.
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it;and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them:
and THEY WERE JUDGED every man ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS.
And DEATH and HELL were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
And WHOSOEVER was NOT found written in the book of life was cast INTO the Lake of FIRE.
Do you not remember
reading:
"... we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Have you not read in
Luke 11 :
" ... When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest;
and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself;
and they enter in, and the last state of that man is worse than the first.
In closing, I'm telling you, for your own spirit's sake ...
LEAVE HOMOSEXUALS ALONE !
Do not talk to them!
Do not tolerate them.
FORCE THOSE REPROBATE OUT and AWAY FROM YOURSELF ! They will only LEAD YOU INTO HELL !