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To: Red Steel

I tried to find that interview but can’t.

I did find some details. They drove up, saw muzzle flashes through a window. Got out of the car and running towards the building they were shot at. They returned fire, hitting him once. The gunman went into a classroom and killed himself.

So yeah - I guess seeing muzzle flashes they at least knew where one shooter was. (From the 911 calls they are just calling about one shooter). First 911 call at 10:38. Detectives and a highway patrol officer show up at 10:44.

Still - I’m guessing these Broward County guys would have stayed behind their squad cars.

The oregon shooting, the gunman asked people that were Christians to stand up - then he shot them. Ten dead.


83 posted on 02/23/2018 3:59:02 PM PST by 21twelve
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To: 21twelve
Here's a CSM article from 2000 about a year after Columbine. Excerpted.

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"Change in tactics: Police trade talk for rapid response"

"Columbine was a seminal event," says Chief Ron Sloan of the Arvada, Colo., police department. "You had two individuals intent on killing as many people as possible.... It kind of shattered our innocence: The unthinkable now is thinkable." ...

Under the new "rapid deployment" approach, police in Arvada, just west of Denver, are being trained to take charge if they arrive at a scene of a shooting in progress. They will carry AR-15 semiautomatic rifles and be equipped with ballistic helmets and vests ...

"We're talking about street-ready cops having the equipment and training necessary to respond immediately," says Arvada Deputy Chief Ted Mink. "Law enforcement can't afford to sit back on its heels. It's all about public safety."

Since Columbine, countless police departments nationwide have taken similar steps. "In every place that I'm aware of, there has been a profound shift," says David Klinger, a criminologist at the University of Missouri in St. Louis.

"They have instituted a far higher level than ever before of training for officers to respond to an active shooting. Columbine was the catalyst, without a doubt." ... When agencies try to avoid high-risk situations at all costs, and wait for SWAT to arrive, the problem is that the cost is going to be innocent victims,"

he says. "Unfortunately, we've had an increase in school shootings with mass casualties. Police chiefs can no longer bury their heads in the sand." Others emphasize that strategic decisions must be made at the scene, based on the particular circumstances. ...

Common-sense approach

"It's very situational. If it's at a school, and there are students inside, we wouldn't want officers waiting outside," he says. But in a domestic dispute or bank robbery, officers would opt for a more traditional approach in the absence of gunfire, he says. ..." https://www.csmonitor.com/2000/0531/p2s2.html

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124 posted on 02/23/2018 6:05:52 PM PST by Red Steel
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