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To: GoldenState_Rose; Liz

“So insecure and inept they are in building/foritfying their own institutions - that they have nothing better left to do than sabotage that of countries they envy and resent the most.”

As far as I know Mueller found no evidence the Russian government was involved, or that the scheme had any measurable effect.

No matter the substantial issues with the Russian election system, it seems to do a pretty good job of reflecting the wishes of the Russian people.

http://news.gallup.com/poll/207491/economic-problems-corruption-fail-dent-putin-image.aspx?g_source=World&g_medium=lead&g_campaign=tiles

Of course, some would argue the Russian people are too stupid to know what’s good for them.

I am not one of those.


223 posted on 02/16/2018 12:39:01 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

“Polls” don’t capture all the complexity or dynamics at work.

Russians are not stupid, I never said that...but many sold their souls to Putin for ill-intentioned reasons: willingly and knowingly exchanging freedom for economic promises.

One notable group are people who protested him on the streets of Moscow/St. P in 2011-2012 when he unconstitutionally returned to power following Medvedev.

Those same protesters then jumped on the Putin bandwagon when Russia annexed Crimea and Russia began incursions into East Ukraine, from which they haven’t left.

Crimea - still popular. The other stuff along with stagnating economy? Not so much. Those same people want Putin out again. But they’ve so compromised all their freedoms, there is very little of a democratic process left as Putin has become more repressive each time he’s retaken power.


226 posted on 02/16/2018 12:47:00 PM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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To: Mariner

Honestly, nevermind. You’re the type that won’t see the truth until Putin’s impending demise finally materializes. In the meantime, you will have good company on these forums with the Russian infiltrators - not from Mueller’s list, but the ones which have been operating on FR for quite some time now. Not dangerous, but telling as to how vulnerable people’s minds became during the disenchanting Obama years.


230 posted on 02/16/2018 12:57:16 PM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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To: Mariner

If Russians were so “confident” in their situation, they wouldn’t as involved in American affairs to the extent as it is being revealed... they’d be busy overseeing a booming economy, their own compelling nailbiter elections, hosting public debates about their Soviet legacy without censoring films about Stalin or sending Gulag archivists to the mental asylum...They’d be building untouchable alliances with other successful (not rogue) countries etc...

And they probably wouldn’t be in Syria or East Ukraine.


232 posted on 02/16/2018 1:07:06 PM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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