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To: nickcarraway
Sorry. I have to disagree.

They should definitely "gut" pre-conviction civil asset forfeiture.

Last time I checked we still had a Constitution and it still had a 4th Amendment.

5 posted on 02/13/2018 10:15:24 AM PST by WayneS (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill)
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To: WayneS

Maybe these two should propose a new law where Alabama takes all property in the state, and people who can prove they are innocent of any crime can apply to have it returned.


11 posted on 02/13/2018 10:18:04 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: WayneS

Well, a rather vivid exposure of the abuse of 4th Amendment rights of Mr. Trump and Mr. Flynn has been exposed, exposing the abuse of actual court evidence to receive warrants— by major high level police elements. Thus taking the 4th Amendment abuse procedurally down to the level of getting seizure warrants from a local judge by crooked police— and as a motivator— pre-conviction civil asset forfeiture overcoming the ability of the individuals to defend themselves.

In much the same way that Michael Flynn was ground down financially by a series of “faked” evidence (lying to the FBI on some minor point about activities which were not illegal at the time in his job)— he was being bankrupted by the costs (not pre seizure but... pre-elimination of any consulting business he could have obtained to make a living and cover his legal fees).

This is why the 4th Amendment violations of private individuals, on any level, must be fully investigated, and cleared— otherwise, we will march to a police state that the LEFT and the RIGHT can abuse procedurally from now on.


37 posted on 02/13/2018 10:45:16 AM PST by John S Mosby (SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS)
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To: WayneS
Sorry. I have to disagree.

They should definitely "gut" pre-conviction civil asset forfeiture.

+1

47 posted on 02/13/2018 11:14:10 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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