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To: Cboldt
The criminal aspect of the target is secondary and not required.

Not quite:

...establishes procedures for the physical and electronic surveillance and collection of "foreign intelligence information" between "foreign powers" and "agents of foreign powers" suspected of espionage or terrorism

I believe espionage and terrorism are criminal acts, but the primary requirement is that the basis must be regarding foreign agents. Either with or without court orders, warrants are based on the target being the foreign agent. This warrant appears to violate that.

FISA exists to produce warrants where none are required.

Not sure how you meant this but FISA exists to collect intelligence on foreign agents, which requires a surveillance warrant. Further, the court is mandated to operate in a non-adversarial role which to me indicates non-partisan but I could be wrong in the legal definition of that.

The FBI is responsible to verify information before using it to obtain a warrant. The DOJ is the oversight for this. Only after FBI and DOJ agree does the application go to FISC.

Agreed, although the NSA can be involved. Given what you stated it is quite clear that the process is tainted and guilty as charged in accordance with what the Trump administration has cited as being biased. That should cause the issuing judge to revoke the warrant and put the surveillance under judicial review.

32 posted on 02/05/2018 11:08:20 AM PST by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: rjsimmon
-- Not sure how you meant this but FISA exists to collect intelligence on foreign agents, which requires a surveillance warrant. --

You are familiar with the so-called "Keith" case from 1972? With FISA section 1802? The history of FISA, what preceded it? What provoked it into existence?

-- That should cause the issuing judge to revoke the warrant and put the surveillance under judicial review. --

The warrant IS (or was, it's expired now) under judicial review. That's what FISA is for, to provide a warrant where a purpose of the survelliance is to gather foreign intelligence. This has two benefit, in case a warrant will be helpful in any future criminal prosecution (rare), and to make the public believe government surveillance is essentially always done with a warrant.

Even you were under the mistaken belief that "collect intelligence on foreign agents, which requires a surveillance warrant."

35 posted on 02/05/2018 11:36:27 AM PST by Cboldt
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