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To: kabar
-- Do you think the FBI has proof that Page was knowingly engaged "in clandestine intelligence activities for or on behalf of a foreign power." --

Not that passes the smell test, no. But Page visit Russia and had been approached by Russian spooks, so there was not ZERO material to work with.

My point ws just that the FISA warrant applicant need not allege any specific criminal element, unlike the typical warrant which is bound by the 4th amendment, "no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause [of a crime]"

The starting point of FISA is that neither the constitution nor the courts require a warrant to conduct foreign intelligence surveillance. The FISA system exists to mollify the public that even though a warrant isn't required, the oh so good guys in the government are submitting to court oversight anyway.

Another reason FISA exists is to allow evidience of criminal conduct, if found while conducting foreign intelligence surveillance, to come into court. Otherwise the 4th amendment would bar it.

FISA 702 is essentially a warrant from the legislature, allowing bulk collection and review with ZERO specific allegation by the government.

241 posted on 02/04/2018 8:04:11 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

Spooks approach folks all the time.
Doesn’t make the target a criminal.

You may ask what were you doing there in that hot tub with that Ruskie girl?

“enjoying the night sky, and a gals company”

Hardly criminal


253 posted on 02/04/2018 8:14:04 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of he Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Cboldt
I gather the Page testimony before Congress was released based on this article, Carter Page's testimony is filled with bombshells — and supports key portions of the Steele dossier written Nov 6, 2017.

I found it very interesting knowing what we know now. The article sources the usual suspects to make the case that the dossier has been proven largely true, especially as it relates to Page. I found the following excerpt amusing given when it was written:

Four months before, a US intelligence source told Yahoo's Michael Isikoff that Sechin met with Page during Page's three-day trip to Moscow. Sechin, the source told Yahoo, raised the issue of the US lifting sanctions on Russia under Trump.

255 posted on 02/04/2018 8:15:00 AM PST by kabar
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