As those conversations progress I will always promote them as Individuals.
Individuals that are fully capable of making up their own minds and they should reject any efforts by anyone that tries to “Tell” them what to think or do.
You may like this;
No Science, No Logic and No Morality: Atheism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxz84kS8k4U&t=333s
indeed - it’s subtle to let someone misguided learn on their own that their deepest beliefs are wrong