Posted on 01/26/2018 1:04:07 PM PST by GoldenState_Rose
OK. Deal.
Anyone could add their two cents’ worth. Even you.
If you ask Mary to pray for you; you are a respecter of persons; for you believe that she is more special than anyone else who's even lived.
Just bwhat IS the 'yoke of bondage'?
God thought that.
...and a disrespecter of Jesus and God, who you are effectively saying cannot keep up with all the prayers sent His/Their way.
...and a disrespecter of God, who you are effectively saying cannot keep up with all the prayers sent His way.
Since Jesus taught us to pray to the Father, not to Jesus.
“In your example, you are attributing to me certain characteristics which are properly Mary’s.”
Gotta disagree.
Every believer is graced by God. If you are a believer, you are graced. If not, no.
Every believer is blessed. I left out Jesus name, since you didn’t bear Him.
It points out that you are not simply “asking Mary to pray for you”... but you are praying to her and idolizing her.
It is very different than you claimed FRiend.
13But we do not want you to be ignorant, brothers, about those who have died, so that you may not grieve like other people who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so through Jesus God will bring those who have died with him. ISV13And we will not have you ignorant, brethren, concerning them that are asleep, that you be not sorrowful, even as others who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died, and rose again; even so them who have slept through Jesus, will God bring with him. Douay-Rheims
13And I do not wish you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, that ye may not sorrow, as also the rest who have not hope, 14for if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, so also God those asleep through Jesus he will bring with him, Young's Literal Translation
Where will JESUS be coming from to Rapture His Bride, His Body of Believers through History? When God brings the died WITH HIM, where is HE coming FROM? What did JESUS tells the disciples in John 14? IF you can discern this spiritually, there is no confusion as to where the quickened spirits of those who have died in Christ are now. Their bodies may have returned to the atomic sea, but their spirit is with HIM IN HEAVEN and GOD will bring them with JESUS at the Rapture moment of The Body of Believers both alive and dead.
And just another hint, the bride arrayed in White Linens returns with HIM to touch down on Earth (see the end of The Revelation of John).
It ain’t gonna happen, though I do remember several years ago, someone tried to silence you on the threads. I don’t remember who it was, but I remember, it didn’t work then, it won’t work now. 👍👍👋
People try to sugarcoat the whole thing, but ultimately it is called necromancy, and is expressly forbidden 🚫
Els meister, since our thoughts on the bema seat 💺 don’t matter in our relationship to Jesus, we can feel free to agree to disagree on it. I believe it. If you don’t, then you best give me a Limerick. 👋
Why did you bring up worshiping people?
I didn't say anything about it.
That is where so many of the commentators here go astray. They think pray = adore.
Praying to anyone but God = disobeying Jesus.
| The Glories of Mary | Romans 8:31-39 NASB | |
| Blessed Henry Suso to say, ‘that he had placed his soul in the hands of Mary, and that if he was condemned, the sentence must pass through her hands; being confident that if it was in such hands, this tender Virgin would certainly prevent its execution. The same do I hope for myself, O my own most holy Queen; and therefore I will always repeat the words of Saint Bonaventure, ‘In thee, O Lady, have I placed all my hopes; and thus I confidently trust that I shall never be lost, but praise and love thee for ever in heaven.’ (p190) |
31What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? 32He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things? 33Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? God is the one who justifies; 34who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us. 35Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36Just as it is written, “FOR YOUR SAKE WE ARE BEING PUT TO DEATH ALL DAY LONG; WE WERE CONSIDERED AS SHEEP TO BE SLAUGHTERED.” 37But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us. 38For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. |
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Bible quotes from NASB
RCC position on Mary from The Glories of Mary, translated from the Italian of St Alphonsus De; Liguori, Founder of the Congregation of the Most Holy Redeemer, by A Father of the Same Congregation LONDON: Printed for the Redemptorist Fathers, St Mary’s, Clapham, Surrey; to be had of J.J. Wallwork, 42, Great Marlborough Street, Regent Street, and of all Booksellers. MDCCCLII p190.
Perhaps you remember several weeks ago, some guy trying to convince you, that the bride of Christ, is the new Jerusalem. I don’t think anyone fell for that line.
“You Catholics are wrong because you believe X.”
“We don’t believe X.”
“Wrong again. Yes you do.”
I've got no time for this. God bless you.
The bowing before the "statues" of Mary, the candles lit before her, the reliance upon her for practically everything in Roman Catholicism, the prayers TO her, the extensive writings, etc.....all point to one thing....the Roman Catholic worship of Mary. The Roman Catholic will deny it as they are too deep in Roman Catholicism to see...much as the Mormon or Hindu cannot see the error of their ways.
As you can see there are some fundamental differences between how a Roman Catholic prays to Mary and how Christians ask others to pray for them.
I do not have "statues" of my friends I bow before, light candles to, rely upon them for salvation etc, as found in Roman Catholicism.
You got that right.
I don’t have nay respect for people who use Scripture as a weapon to bludgeon others into submission to their particular legalistic standards.
And that’s just a drop in the Mary bucket.
““You Catholics are wrong because you believe X.”
“We don’t believe X.”
“Wrong again. Yes you do.”
Oooooo. This needs autocorrect.
“Romanism is wrong because it teaches unscriptural things.”
“[insert attempt to minimize, rationalize or use logical fallacy]
“Wrong for these reasons.”
“I’m leaving (after blaming those providing evidence)”
It’s not a growing problem.
It’s a going problem.
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