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Medical Marijuana Debate?
Townhall.com ^ | January 25, 2018 | Steve Sherman

Posted on 01/25/2018 8:34:31 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: fireman15
“Marijuana use was also linked with a variety of factors known to increase cardiovascular risk, such as obesity, high blood pressure, smoking and alcohol use."

LOL. So the big risk of marijuana is that it might lead to smoking tobacco or drinking alcohol? What kind of nonsensical reasoning is this? If the tobacco and alcohol are a problem, why not make those illegal instead?
41 posted on 01/25/2018 12:03:03 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: schurmann

That is not the reason for my post. What Im saying is that Big Pharma wants it prohibited because they cant compete with it. The tactics of big Pharma are not free enterprise, they throw enormous sums of money at congress critters to maintain the status quo...


42 posted on 01/25/2018 12:03:37 PM PST by phs3 (FUBO)
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To: fireman15; ping jockey

Other “delivery methods” of ingesting mj can easily lead to ODs as people, and not uncommonly, children, have no idea how much THC content of the brownies/gummy bears/etc.

Funny thing about the psychotic episodes - well, two funny things. DMOTMC (Devout Members Of The Marijuana Cult) claim that people who get psycho from mj would have been psycho anyway, that’s one. The other is that some people (a not inconsiderable number) don’t recover from mj induced or triggered psychosis. Or even not full on nutz, but bouts of paranoia and other fun stuff.


43 posted on 01/25/2018 12:05:23 PM PST by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: Kaslin

So millions of people can be outright stoners and addicts, just so this guy’s father or grandfather isn’t in a wheelchair.

Got news for the idiot author, medicine using various parts of the mj plant is not equivalent to legalize dope across the board.

This fool should live in my county, welcome to the hell of legalized dope growing.


44 posted on 01/25/2018 12:08:12 PM PST by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: ping jockey

You think if mj is letalized there will be less crime?

HAHAHAHA

Move to my county.


45 posted on 01/25/2018 12:08:55 PM PST by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: phs3

“... And I have never seen a person suffer from a psychotic episode. ...”

“I didn’t see it, therefore it doesn’t exist” is an immature attitude. And one well behind the times. A lot of folks gave up smug stances like this before the Enlightenment - probably around the time of the Renaissance. Try to catch up.


46 posted on 01/25/2018 12:09:23 PM PST by schurmann
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So, the only medical relief or heaven forbid the right to change my consciousness has to be mandated by who? The government, or some one like you? Who are you to tell me what is right for me? You dont know me or have any idea of what kind of pain and suffering I might have endured.


47 posted on 01/25/2018 12:09:24 PM PST by phs3 (FUBO)
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To: TheStickman

So since booze causes psycho episodes, mj should be legalized so there can be MORE people with psycho episodes!

And of course the LP fools want ALL drugs legalized.

Just think of krokodil, fentanyl, heroin, crack, regular cocaine, meth and whatever else is out there - whoopeee! So many psycho episodes! The sky’s the limit!

This what fools and ignorant dopers call “freedom”.


48 posted on 01/25/2018 12:11:31 PM PST by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: little jeremiah

Always fun to read DMOTNSC (Devout Members of the Prohibitionist Cult) members describing “funny” things while they make claims they never seem to validate.


49 posted on 01/25/2018 12:11:33 PM PST by TheStickman (#MAGA all day every day!)
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To: schurmann

I used to smoke mj and a lot of hash and had plenty of episodes that could well qualify for psycho. Top it all off with a lot of LSD and some mescaline.

And the idea that people who use mj won’t use other drugs mix n match is not only stupid, it’s a lie.


50 posted on 01/25/2018 12:12:45 PM PST by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: schurmann

No, only that empirical evidence is all I have. And that I have not seen that behavior in the 100’s of people Ive see and been around use it. I have experienced more than one, many more than one individual experience psychotic episodes from too much alcohol consumption.


51 posted on 01/25/2018 12:13:16 PM PST by phs3 (FUBO)
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To: TheStickman

I don’t owe you a nickel of validation.

You are able to do research just as I have done.

But dopers say, when I have posted info in the past, “Oh that’s from anti-dope sites, no good”. DMOTMC only trust sites like NORML, Cannibis Culture, and the like.

Don’t make me laugh. Dopers are really shallow thinkers and duplicitous as well.


52 posted on 01/25/2018 12:16:18 PM PST by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I wish people would just smoke themselves to death and be done with it....use opiates, use weed, I 'm tired of their poor liddle stories about how good drugs are, any drugs...

smoke, eat em, inject em.....just do it....

53 posted on 01/25/2018 12:17:22 PM PST by cherry
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To: TheStickman

so you think you’re better and walla...you are better...


54 posted on 01/25/2018 12:18:17 PM PST by cherry
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To: phs3

“...What I’m saying is that Big Pharma wants it prohibited because they can’t compete with it. ...”

Another variation on “Lack of evidence for the existence of a conspiracy is evidence for the existence of a conspiracy.”

Non-falsifiable hypotheses tell us nothing about the argument at hand.

They do, however, provide hints about the thought processes of people who post them in defense of a line of argument.


55 posted on 01/25/2018 12:18:20 PM PST by schurmann
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To: little jeremiah

“So since booze causes psycho episodes, mj should be legalized so there can be MORE people with psycho episodes!”

Fallacy #1

Spewing another fallacy to defend your previous fallacy is not a valid argument, little one.

“And of course the LP fools want ALL drugs legalized.”

“LP fools”? Do explain Should be “funny” as hell.

“Just think of krokodil, fentanyl, heroin, crack, regular cocaine, meth and whatever else is out there - whoopeee! So many psycho episodes! The sky’s the limit! This what fools and ignorant dopers call “freedom”.”

Repeat of Fallacy #1

Are you this miserable sounding in real life or are we just luck here a FR? Just curious.


56 posted on 01/25/2018 12:22:06 PM PST by TheStickman (#MAGA all day every day!)
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“So, the only medical relief or heaven forbid the right to change my consciousness has to be mandated by ...? ... Who are you to tell me what is right for me? You dont know me or have any idea of what kind of pain and suffering I might have endured.”

All too true. I confess my ignorance. But knowing such details is less important than we might think. Guessing poses its own risks, but in this case they aren’t too great.

I have met dozens of people like you, who are (apparently) convinced that libertarian fancies can be molded into a workable philosophy of societal interaction. The indignant responses are all exactly alike. And all heroically ignore the grubby realities: that injustice exists, that hard choices have to be made, that bad stuff happens no matter how devoutly we believe it shouldn’t.

We live in a suboptimal world. Conservatives used to support notions like that. Some call them “timeless verities.”


57 posted on 01/25/2018 12:58:42 PM PST by schurmann
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To: TheStickman

I’m happy.

I don’t need medical marijuana so I can smoke/eat myself into a dope induced mental stupor.

“Debating” with stoners is boring and I have a very busy life.


58 posted on 01/25/2018 1:14:23 PM PST by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: schurmann

Libertarianism is yet another in a long, long history of utopian philosophies; none of which has ever worked, and none ever will. And when implemented on large scale, they always end in chaos and often total hell.


59 posted on 01/25/2018 1:16:00 PM PST by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: little jeremiah

“I’m happy.”

Good for you.
So am I.

“I don’t need medical marijuana so I can smoke/eat myself into a dope induced mental stupor.”

Hmmm...that reads like you had a few cold ones before you wrote it. :)
Myself, I hate having to take medicine every day. Been doing so since 1995, starting with depression + anxiety meds till 2015. Cannabis & a thyroid medicine since 2015. Still, I consider myself fortunate. Many people suffer their whole lives with ailments they never get proper relief from.

Funny though, my appetite has moderated & I’ve lost 81 lbs since I started using cannabis. The increase in energy has been wonderful and walking 2-4 miles a day continues to help with the weight loss (only 7 more lbs to go to hit my ultimate goal). All since I began using cannabis. :)

““Debating” with stoners is boring and I have a very busy life.”

Debating with prohibitionists reminds me of teaching 8 yr olds in Sunday school.


60 posted on 01/25/2018 1:37:41 PM PST by TheStickman (#MAGA all day every day!)
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