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Paul Manafort Has a Point
Townhall.com ^ | January 17, 2018 | Byron York

Posted on 01/17/2018 6:44:03 AM PST by Kaslin

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1 posted on 01/17/2018 6:44:04 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Weasel Mueller runs RosenWeasel.

I find it very easy to conclude that RosenWeasel has given the go-ahead to expand the “investigation”.


2 posted on 01/17/2018 6:47:17 AM PST by Paladin2
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If the investigation truly has no limits then I can’t see any reason why, for example, it couldn’t investigate the lifelong background and finances of any individual donating to the trump campaign. After all, they might be a russian...


3 posted on 01/17/2018 6:50:28 AM PST by fruser1
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To: Paladin2
They gave Mueller a blank check at the beginning. He can follow any rabbit hole that they find during the 'investigation'. This was always gonna happen.


4 posted on 01/17/2018 6:54:13 AM PST by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: Kaslin

If this investigation get’s Trump, that number 2 (ironically it’s #2 as in $h#$hole) will be the one that gets Trump.

I have to imagine that after 35 - 40 years running the Trump Corporation with all of it’s international ties and billion dollar industry, there are some illegalities there. If a team of lawyers dug into any of our lives they would be able to come up with illegalities. These would be the same lawyers that can’t find the obvious illegal practices of Uranium One, the Clinton Foundation or Hillary’s e-mails...


5 posted on 01/17/2018 6:57:18 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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Mueller was apparently a failure as leader of the FBI and now he’s attempting to clean up the mess he left behind. I used to admire this guy, now I have nothing but contempt for him.


6 posted on 01/17/2018 6:57:47 AM PST by McGavin999 ("The press is impotent when it abandons itself to falsehood."Thomas Jefferson)
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Mueller has been in touch with Andrew Cuomo’s lackeys to file parallel charges against Manafort in NY State. This violates the spirit if not the letter of double-jeopardy, and sets a very dangerous precedent. Future prosecutors who can’t get traction on a Federal case will just farm it out to blue state hacks.


7 posted on 01/17/2018 7:00:49 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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A great quote from The Shooter 2007, “Trust us, we are the FBI”. Yeah. Time to dissolve the FBI.


8 posted on 01/17/2018 7:02:57 AM PST by Kozy (new age haruspex; "Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth.")
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To: Kaslin
And Mueller and Rosenstein could moot the whole thing by explicitly expanding Mueller's authority to include specific activities that have no connection to the Trump-Russia affair.

Wouldn't that be an ex-post-facto justification, and still be fruit of the poisoned tree?

9 posted on 01/17/2018 7:15:22 AM PST by MortMan (A bird in the hand can be quite messy.)
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Rosenstein authorized Mueller to investigate three things..... Second was "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation."

As I pointed out at the time, Rosenstein "authorized" Mueller to investigate anything.

As long as Rosenstein remains in his position, the swamp isn't going to be drained.

10 posted on 01/17/2018 7:18:40 AM PST by FreeReign
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the level of cluelessness on these threads is hard to fathom


11 posted on 01/17/2018 7:31:51 AM PST by bigbob (People say believe half of what you see son and none of what you hear - M. Gaye)
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To: Theoria
They gave Mueller a blank check at the beginning. He can follow any rabbit hole that they find during the 'investigation'. This was always gonna happen.

They being greasy, chinless Rod RosenWeasal.

12 posted on 01/17/2018 7:32:08 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: MortMan
I don't see how the "poisoned tree" comes into play here. Mueller may not have the proper jurisdiction to file these charges against Manafort, but someone in the U.S. Justice Department does. So it seems like this would just be a matter of a simple administrative technicality -- and not even a jurisdictional one, since in any case it would be a Federal prosecutor filing the charges.

The other issue the author overlooks is what is known as the "entire controversy doctrine." It's a common law principle that requires any and all known criminal or civil charges between two parties to be adjudicated together. If Mueller was to file any charges against Manafort for anything related to the Trump campaign without filing any charges for matters that had no relation to the campaign, then the DOJ would forever be precluded from filing any of those other charges. Mueller (or another Federal prosecutor) was effectively compelled to file those charges once they became know. Once the credible allegations against Manafort were known to Mueller, Mueller could not have closed his investigation without addressing those charges.

13 posted on 01/17/2018 7:35:34 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Go ahead, bite the Big Apple ... don't mind the maggots.")
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To: fruser1
If the investigation truly has no limits then I can’t see any reason why, for example, it couldn’t investigate the lifelong background and finances of any individual donating to the trump campaign. After all, they might be a russian...

If Rosenstein is removed as the acting Uranium One AG, I suspect Mueller would respond by going after Trump's finances.

14 posted on 01/17/2018 7:36:58 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
I have to imagine that after 35 - 40 years running the Trump Corporation with all of it’s international ties and billion dollar industry, there are some illegalities there. If a team of lawyers dug into any of our lives they would be able to come up with illegalities.

First of all, any investigation that goes back 35-40 years is a waste of time. With the exception of some violent crimes like murder and (in some states) rape, the statute of limitations on most crimes would have expired long ago.

The other thing to remember was a piece of James Comey's testimony before the Senate last summer that seems to have gotten very little attention. He testified that President Trump asked him in early 2017 to have the FBI conduct a thorough investigation of Trump in order to exonerate him. Does that sound like a man who thinks he has anything to hide?

15 posted on 01/17/2018 7:49:51 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Go ahead, bite the Big Apple ... don't mind the maggots.")
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To: MortMan

“Fruit of the Poisonous Tree” is a 4th Amendment issue. It involves Search & Seizure. It is an extension of the Exclusionary Rule. It has nothing to do with the “SCOPE” of Meuller’s investigation. Too many people have been throwing this phrase around when they don’t know what it is.


16 posted on 01/17/2018 7:59:53 AM PST by DrDude
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To: FreeReign
As I pointed out at the time, Rosenstein "authorized" Mueller to investigate anything.

I think the point of Manafort's suit is that Rosenstein did that, and that he cannot do that under both the law and the Constitution.

It's worth recalling that SCOTUS threw out the original special-prosecutor law for two reasons: a) you can't have an investigator not under the control of the Executive; and b) part of the reason why is that the investigation must be supervised and limited in scope (probable cause and those pesky 4th Amendment and due process requirements).

Since Sessions has "recused" himself and Rosenstein is manifestly in cahoots with Mueller, I would think Manafort has good grounds to get his case tossed.

17 posted on 01/17/2018 8:07:27 AM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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I agree with what you said.

I'm only pointing out where the fruit went poisonous.

18 posted on 01/17/2018 8:18:33 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: Theoria

The suit says, with some legal authority behind it, that the open ended nature of the authorization is what was illegal. The SC statute does not allow it, and the US Constitution does not provide for rogue prosecutors who don’t have a boss.


19 posted on 01/17/2018 8:19:22 AM PST by Defiant (I may be deplorable, but I'm not getting in that basket.)
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Rosenstein wrote the authorization so that Mueller can hound every single person who had any association with the Trump campaign, for anything they might have done or not done during their entire lives. Using Manafort as an example, Mueller can easily claim that he had to investigate Manafort’s entire career and finances to see if he had buried, long-term connections to the Russian government. While doing so, Manafort’s failure to register as a foreign agent, and report foreign bank accounts “arose from the investigation.”

Manafort can argue 1) that Rosenstein’s authorization requires the charges to be related to the time and activities of the Trump campaign, and 2) that the charges are unrelated to actual connections to the Russian government. I wish him the best with that, and hope he at least gets to a discovery phase. But Rosenstein is aware of the charges against Manafort. Has he rushed out to say — wait, wait, that exceeds my authorization?


20 posted on 01/17/2018 8:37:50 AM PST by Chewbarkah
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