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To: adorno
I have worked with automated equipment, and I have worked with computers all my life.


I have strong reason to doubt your assertion based on the naive confidence displayed in your statements.

The one nugget of accuracy that I found, is your acknowledgement that computers make mistakes faster than any human can react.

I design and build automated equipment for industrial applications, and have seen first-hand the absolute lack of subtlety with which a machine executes it's programming.

Have you ever had a headlight on your vehicle go out suddenly, and then later for no readily apparent cause, come back on? This same wiring, using these same connectors cannot ever be relied upon to autonomously operate a motor vehicle safely, and therein lies the absolutely fatal flaw in the autonomous transportation fantasy.

A sensor that fails in an automated assembly process, whether it is due to age, or neglect, or power transients, or simple, common dirt, can be made to fail in a safe state. That's the origin and meaning of "FAILSAFE"... That upon failure the sensor or switch output goes to a state, either ON or OFF that inhibits the machine from operating in the absence of meaningful input.

A motor vehicle, by it's very definition cannot be made to fail-safe. It is in motion, among others of its type and cannot safely just stop operating.

Skipping over a few lines; as finicky as a simple optical sensor is, machine vision is orders of magnitude more complicated. To recognize a thing as a "thing" with no more resolution than presence or absence, requires that the item to be "seen" be in precise alignment with the sensors programmed expectations... Not too far away, not too close, certainly never rotated or canted at an angle to the sensor, and must be precisely illuminated as well. No machine ever invented, or ever to be invented will have the capability to identify an oncoming object and react appropriately in every circumstance. (or even the majority of circumstances) Solid or liquid, soft or hard, concave or convex... All of this has to be known IN ADVANCE in order to properly program the machine's reaction, which as you noted, will be irrevocably swift and final.

You say you've worked with computers "all your life" and I believe you. That also helps me understand your lack of judgement on this topic.


I'll tell you what: Come back when you can tell me all of the reasons why it hasn't been done already, and I might share your enthusiasm, but the truth is it's a horrible idea, and if people continue to insisit that "It's going to happen" regardless, then many people will die re-learning what some of us old farts already learned.
150 posted on 01/14/2018 12:54:41 PM PST by Hugh the Scot ("The days of being a keyboard commando are over. It's time to get some bloody knuckles." -Drew68)
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To: Hugh the Scot

Oh, but it is going to happen.

In fact, it’s already happening.

And, btw, I have worked all my working days with computers.

I have held just about every position there is in development and in IT management and systems analysis, with PCs and mini-computers and mainframes. I’ve worked in many types of businesses, and in small and large ones. I’ve also been an independent contractor.

Enough about me.

When it comes to machines failing, I would never say they are perfect, because there can never be anything done to perfection. But, machines can perform many boring and redundant and simple functions, much more precisely than humans. IT has progresses to the point that now we have artificial intelligence that is quite capable, and is being applied to applications which threaten to make a lot of jobs, and even careers, obsolete. Driving is one of those functions.

There is nothing pertaining to driving that can’t be duplicate by a “machine”, or a robot. Autonomous vehicles are being designed to replace the human factor in transportation. Will they be perfect? Heck no! But, they will perform better and more precisely than humans, and with a lot fewer mistakes or errors. Testing of that kind of vehicle has already proven to be so advanced, that the designers and makers feel it’s ready, right now, to replace the human factor in driving.

You don’t have to believe in the tech right now. But, it’s coming to our roads a lot sooner than you might think or expect.

And, like a lot of other tech that surprised people, even you will eventually embrace it.


151 posted on 01/14/2018 2:45:25 PM PST by adorno
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To: Hugh the Scot

“if people continue to insisit that “It’s going to happen” regardless, then many people will die re-learning what some of us old farts already learned.”

Well said.

Another thing, either more important or less, depending on your perspective, is that these monstrosities would represent a drastic curtailment of liberty.


152 posted on 01/14/2018 8:30:10 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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