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Microsoft Patches for CPU Flaws Break Windows, Apps
security week ^ | 1/8/2018 | Eduard Kovacs

Posted on 01/08/2018 4:26:46 PM PST by bitt

Users have complained that the updates released by Microsoft last week for the Spectre and Meltdown vulnerabilities cause Windows to break down on some computers with AMD processors.

Several individuals whose computers rely on AMD processors, particularly older Athlon models, say they are unable to start Windows 10 after installing KB4056892, an update released by Microsoft in response to the disclosure of serious flaws affecting Intel, AMD and ARM processors.

The security holes have been dubbed Spectre and Meltdown and they allow malicious applications to bypass memory isolation mechanisms and access passwords, photos, documents, emails, and other sensitive information. Both local and remote exploitation are possible.

Users have reported that after installing Microsoft’s update the operating system freezes during boot when the Windows logo is displayed. Some users claimed to have had problems reverting to a previous state, and those who did manage to do it warned that the automatic update feature needs to quickly be disabled to prevent the update from being reinstalled.

While a majority of the affected users appear to have older AMD Athlon processors, some devices with AMD Turion CPUs also appear to have been hit.

Microsoft has not shared any information regarding this issue. A Microsoft spokesperson told SecurityWeek that the company is aware of the reports and is investigating.

(Excerpt) Read more at securityweek.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: amdprocessors; computers; computing; cpu; intel; meltdown; microsoft; spectre; windows; windowspinglist
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To: polymuser
My Commodore 64 is still doing just fine.

So is my Texas Instruments TI-99/4A. I'm having a grand evening playing Hunt The Wumpus.

21 posted on 01/08/2018 6:07:07 PM PST by Ciaphas Cain (Liberalism, as with all else evil, can never create. It can only corrupt.)
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To: George from New England

Actually .stock C64 did 1200 baud and third party upgrades went to 33.6k.

My MS updates used to take 12 hours .


22 posted on 01/08/2018 6:09:46 PM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: bitt

Industry should have stayed with the 68000 derivatives.


23 posted on 01/08/2018 6:15:25 PM PST by GingisK
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To: Anti-Bubba182

no idea.. waiting for guidance from our techheads...


24 posted on 01/08/2018 6:16:52 PM PST by bitt (The first to squeal gets the best deal.)
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To: sushiman

Are you running Windows 10 Pro?

If so, click Start, Settings (the gear icon), Updates & Security, Advanced Options (under Update Settings), turn on Pause Updates.


25 posted on 01/08/2018 6:25:02 PM PST by DJ Frisat (Hey, what happened to my clever tag line?!)
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To: DJ Frisat

You might want to give your basic approach to recovery in case it happens to someone here.


26 posted on 01/08/2018 6:37:49 PM PST by Revel
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To: bitt

Brilliant plan by Microsquish - if it won’t boot no one can get into it!


27 posted on 01/08/2018 6:40:07 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: bitt
Does not need to be patched. The bug can only be leveraged by hostile code running in your machine. That means that they have already gotten in and can do all kinds of damage without leveraging the bug.

There is a theoretical possibility of it being used via javascript. Turn off javascript in the browser, problem solved. Update the browser, problem solved

28 posted on 01/08/2018 6:43:48 PM PST by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: wastedyears

I have completely unpatched Windows. Not a problem.


29 posted on 01/08/2018 6:45:40 PM PST by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: sushiman

I don’t know if you have Windows 10. You are probably stuck with them. I use 8.1 and goto control panel, system and security, system, Windows Update (lower left), Change Settings, Never check for updates.


30 posted on 01/08/2018 6:48:54 PM PST by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: steve86

That is not a given. More than likely a part of the patch failed to take into account a architectural difference on the AMD CPUs, which is ironic since AMD64 is defined by AMD, not Intel.

MS rushed out a patch for their Intel compute farm customers, is the more likely issue.

Probably the bug in the code was not revealed on Intel is more likely. Or it was tested on AMD, but due to risk to large customers, MS decided their Intel customers with vast compute farms were more important in the immediate.

Not a conspiracy, but follows business logic.

Though one would hope us other paying customers will get a AMD clean fix soon.

...and not be force fed the bad fix in the interim.


31 posted on 01/08/2018 6:50:04 PM PST by Aqua225 (Realist)
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To: hoosierham

No way you could read 3300 characters per second without either a dma serial uart, or clock bump.


32 posted on 01/08/2018 6:52:19 PM PST by Aqua225 (Realist)
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To: Revel

In my case, the machine recovered on its own. Here’s what I observed:

Happened to go past the room where that machine is located, noticed that the Window startup screen was effectively frozen - no spinning dots indicating startup, just the Windows logo on the screen. Moved the mouse, but got no cursor. Hit reset and initiated reboot. Got to the same point and froze again.

Did another reset. With Windows 10, a couple of failed boot attempts will summon up an automatic repair routine that checks and attempts to correct startup problems. In this case, it detected the failed update and undid the changes made by the update.

Had this failed, I would have restored a backup image of an earlier build to my hard drive using Macrium Reflect Free.


33 posted on 01/08/2018 6:55:05 PM PST by DJ Frisat (Hey, what happened to my clever tag line?!)
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To: bitt
The KB number of the patch update might not be KB4056892.

From https://pureinfotech.com/kb4056892-windows-10-build-16299-192/:

The update for Windows 10 version 1709 is described as KB4056892 and bumps the version number to build 16299.192. While in version 1703 (Creators Update) the patch is described as KB4056891, KB4056890 for version 1609 (Anniversary Update), KB4056888 for version 1511 (November Update), and KB4056893 for Windows 10 version 1507 (Initial Release).

34 posted on 01/08/2018 6:58:21 PM PST by TChad
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To: DJ Frisat

Thank you. Very good to know.


35 posted on 01/08/2018 6:59:29 PM PST by Revel
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To: TChris
I'm guessing they hadn't tested against older hardware before releasing the patch.

Why would they test it?

Isn't that what their customers are for???

36 posted on 01/08/2018 7:07:34 PM PST by null and void (Delusionals vs Deplorables. Guess who wins?)
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To: DJ Frisat

windows 7 pro


37 posted on 01/08/2018 7:44:47 PM PST by sushiman (i)
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To: palmer

Windows 7 on both my PCs - HP and Dell . Both 64 bit .


38 posted on 01/08/2018 7:46:01 PM PST by sushiman (i)
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To: Navy Patriot

They are pestering me and I put them off until “tomorrow.”
Glad I saw this. I will delay again ‘n again.


39 posted on 01/08/2018 7:46:43 PM PST by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
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To: sushiman
With 7 you should be able to turn off auto-updating since I can do it on 8.1 64 bit. Go to Control Panel\System and Security\System or maybe just search for "Windows Update". Don't know since I don't have a 7 system to look for it. But anyway you'll get to the Windows Update and see settings. You want to make sure to choose the "red X" setting that says "Never check for updates (not recommended)".

Actually, IIRC, in 7, there's an "action center" in the icon tray in your taskbar. There should be a Windows Update button there somewhere. Choose the setting with the red X.

40 posted on 01/08/2018 8:00:34 PM PST by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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