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To: arrogantsob

Yes, but we are not G-d, Who is in charge of Hell. War is what it is. Civilized countries put boundaries on war. Removing those boundaries cannot be justified by “saving lives,” unless one side becomes irrational in its pursuit of victory, and extreme measures are needed to counter their extremism.

You can thus make the argument that Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved lives only because the Japanese were fanatically launching suicide attacks and would not give up despite the fact that they were clearly beaten.

But you cannot make that argument with regards to the scorched earth regimen that Sherman instituted in the Shenandoah Valley (did I really say Susquehana before? Oops.) and Atlanta, because the Confederates were fighting bravely and skillfully in a civilized manner (for the most part). So, too, did the Boers fight a guerrilla hit-and-run campaign, which is legitimate and worthy of respect, so long as it’s fought against uniformed combatants and not civilians. But Lord Kitchener instituted scorched earth and confined to concentration camps their women, children and servants, who were systematically starved.

An enemy that respects the laws of war and fights bravely deserves to have those laws respected regarding his property and family. The Confederates did observe the laws of war. So did Grant’s army, only he consistently won, which was a new thing for the Union. Sherman’s did not, which retroactively provided some legitimacy to the secession idiocy which sparked the war in the first place.

Japan, which interests you, is subject to the same argument, except there the Japanese fanaticism and refusal to face reality made the Bomb a legitimate option, when all considerations in this argument were weighed. But Sherman made war more Hell-ish than he had a right to do, and thereby gave his adversaries a sense of justification which itself encouraged them to fight on, thereby costing lives.


76 posted on 01/02/2018 2:17:44 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (“If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: Eleutheria5; arrogantsob
Japan, which interests you, is subject to the same argument, except there the Japanese fanaticism and refusal to face reality made the Bomb a legitimate option, when all considerations in this argument were weighed.

I had to get into this conversation yall started and we r on the subject of Iran. We are hoping that the Mullahs do not start a Civil War since I think they will be strung up and hanged for being guilty of crimes against the Iranian citizens for the past 39 years.

President Truman told the Japanese if they did not surrender that the next city to get an Atomic Bomb was Tokyo and then and only then did the Japanese finally accepted surrender. You are correct in saying the Japs were fanatical to say the least.

The atom bomb on Nagasaki only happened because the Japs did not believe we had a second atom bomb. The deaths in Nagasaki are attributable to the fanatical Japs.

You r correct in saying it was a scorched earth policy for the Yankees that drove thru Georgia unto the Atlantic. We in the South will never ever forget this but we do not look back into what happened to the South after the surrender at Appomattox Court House, Virginia by General Lee on April 9th, 1865. We have not looked back and the South has progressed forward and we will continue to progress forward and not look back.

77 posted on 01/02/2018 6:27:33 PM PST by TheConservativeTejano
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