Posted on 12/29/2017 10:33:33 PM PST by Forgotten Amendments
Claims by police apologists that a "war on cops" ensued from a reform movement that emerged after the shooting of Michael Brown in 2014 in Ferguson, Missouri, has no statistical support.
Preliminary data from the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund (NLEOMF) finds that 128 police officers died in the line of duty in 2017—44 of them were fatally shot. Last year 64 officers were fatally shot. And since 2011, the numbers have largely gone down.
In the meantime, police have fatally shot 971 people so far this year—the youngest of them just 6 years old. Last year, 963 people were fatally shot by cops.
Because the numbers include a wide variety of deaths, they are easy to misrepresent. The broad number, which includes traffic and other accidents as well as illnesses (mostly heart disease), is used to support claims that "a cop is killed every so many hours." In 2014, Michelle Malkin claimed a cop was killed every 58 hours, using line-of-duty death statistics that included heart attacks, traffic accidents, and even accidental falls.
The claims that a public backlash demanding police accountability has lead to violence against cops are divorced from reality. There were slightly more police deaths in 2011, long before police reform gained any substantive national attention, than in 2016. And 2016 didn't compare to the annus horribilis that was 2007, when 204 cops died in the line of duty, 67 of them shot.
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Go to Dallas, Ed.
Then rot.
so, does it beg the question: are areas no longer being policed ?
Using deaths as a benchmark for violence against police is utterly stupid and a common tactic of those with an agenda. Violence includes assaults. In 2016, FBI stats show that 57,180 officers were physically assaulted in the line of duty.
In 2014, the number of assaults was 48,315.
There has been a marked increase in assaultive behavior thanks to Obama and his BLM Minions.
Really? When cops get lured into ambushes and executed in cold blood, that’s not a war on cops?
The NFL thugs say otherwise.
Of course, there was a war on cops in cities like Baltimore,l one that has resulted in the highest per capita murder rate in that city's history.
The officers in the Freddie Gray case were absolutely victims of false prosecution.
Darren Wilson was the victim in Ferguson. Yet, we still have idiots that falsely believe Michael Brown had his hands up.
Another leftist cover-up artist.
Look at how many “ambush” shootings there were, and add in the wounded too. That is how you see if there is a “pattern” of war against the police, be it by communists/radicals, black extremist groups (say the NBPP), individual lunatics urged on ISIS-style by BLM, NBPP, Antifa, Moslem extremists (in the name of ISIS or Allah or Islam) and some groups you don’t even know exist.
Some people will never “see” the truth even if it is in front of their face.
Well you are most certainly welcome to compile this stuff. But unsupported handwaving on your part does not a case make any more than it would make a case on the part of the titular author.
Also, we have to recognize that Baltimore isn’t the whole bloomin’ country.
And we have to recognize the deleterious effects of public sector unions. That is a huge temptation to a lack of integrity.
Sorry, but black Kiwi doesn’t look good on anyone’s tongue.
I think you addressed your reply to the wrong person. I never said anything about Baltimore (though since I lived there for a long time, I know something about crime and the police, and the war on the police. In fact, I helped out on the investigation of the Office Sager ambush murder by the Black Panther Party.
Also, my son was a federal police officer.
My error for thinking you were posing your comment in the “light” of what went before i.e. Baltimore. Of course your having BEEN there couldn’t have distorted your view of the whole picture, could it? One county with malaria does not a nationwide epidemic make, does it?
I don’t commend you for drama queening based on narrow experiences. That doesn’t make you better than the left.
In the meantime you completely evade the deleterious effects of public sector unions.
The titular author was asking who is warring on whom the more? And unless you are completely tone deaf to check-and-balance issues in government, the answer is kind of eyebrow raising. Suppression of 2nd Amendment rights further invites this kind of imbalance, as people will put up with far more from an elite police if they are the only security entities around.
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3618031/posts?page=31#31
See my comment in another thread, about fundamental justice. No, I won’t let this kind of thing go, even though it’s more trendy for lefties than righties to talk about it. Because without drilling down to the most objective view possible under the light of classical Judeo-Christian values, one is going to find oneself overwhelmed by Satan, not buoyed up by God. Shame on the right for collapsing consideration of such things into slogans like “Suck it up, buttercup.”
And as for Balti itself?
Actually it’s an amusing sight apart from the tragedy. I mentioned the 2nd Amendment above as a powerful factor against police abuse, not so much because of the expectation of getting into a gun battle against police, but because it prevents a power vacuum from forming and being filled.
Baltimore is a “nanny government please protect us while shielding the darlings” situation. If any local war on cops is going on, it has been set up by a multifecta of foolish politics. The (secular) liberals are trying foolishly to fill a vacuum of their own creation, with something equally sparse. There’s a war in Baltimore, but all of police and blacks and whites are collateral damage. It’s a war on civic common sense. There’s a reason we don’t have a whole lot of other Baltimores, that somehow Baltimore has gotten about as low as it can get in the USA.
And the titular author is not any fan of these political problems either.
Lets look at political problems first before oy-veying too much at the lethal incoming. That’s a symptom, not a primary disease. There’s far less malaria when the swamp is drained.
But I shouldn’t forget spiritual problems too.
The crazy political power vacuum in Baltimore gives them warring tribes as any semblance of security.
If one neighborhood wars on the next one, it’s not going to think of gospel answers very much because it’s going to want to survive on earth.
Maybe a special incursion of peacekeeping force into Baltimore is the only environment in which these problems will be sorted out. And that’s fine, do it if it has to be done. Call out the Maryland National Guard. But don’t mix the numbers into the national picture and tell us as a result of such pseudoscience that on average, we need X% more police nationwide. And try everywhere, even Baltimore, to evolve towards a solution where the 2nd Amendment will be honored more in the keeping than the breach. And in which people will trust even more in God than in guns.
Because there really is only one race: the human race. And it does not need to be at war with itself.
The war on the police canmot be measured by statistics showing who shot whom. It takes place by micromanaging cops to such an extent that they are afraid to enforce the law — especially when blacks are involved. Young blacks now feel that they are entitled to resist arrest and to cash in from a sweetheart lawsuit after they do.
Stupid meme to use how many cops killed vs. how many were killed by cops......
It is called “de-policing”; cops now just write accident reports. They don’t bother with criminals, because they’ll lose their jobs/pensions/freedom if the criminals are from a preferred class.
Here in NJ many cop jobs just became wealth transfers to blacks and women; they dropped Hispanics from the list because they did well without any help - and took ALL of the jobs set aside for “blacks/Hispanics/women”.
Well said!
Using your compliment as a taking off point for something I said about the “war on the police”, esp. ambushes by extremists of all types, esp. black extremists, jihadists, and radicals.
So far today I hurt that a police officer was killed in an ambush, possibly in Texas (haven’t seen any report so far) and two were killed in Nevada (looks like they were either responding to a call or were checking out someone - the killer shot himself but was alive at last news report. No motive mentioned by our really alert and astute reporters).
So 2017 ends with at least one “ambush” killing of an officer and Hi Tech Red Neck is telling us it is not a planned type of killing, but due internal politicking in the cities, educational/cultural deconstruction of society (I agree on that) and some other esoteric “logic” issues.
Well call me a “drama queen” but when you have scores of police officers killed and wounded in planned “ambushes”, I call that a serious problem for both the police and society. The fact that we have a new wave of police-haters begs the question of “Why”.
The answer is: The media’s fake news/hero worship of young punks and criminals such as Trayvon Martin (more a punk than anything); Michael Brown (a thug and criminal and possibly drug user/dealer); the cops-killer of Dallas (black anticop Islamic jihadism anyone?), etc.
When the criminal is again put back into the news as the “enemy of society”, the “threat to society”, and not the “hero of the resistance to society”, then we will have begun to view the problem rationally and sanely.
As I have mentioned at FR, my son was a federal police officer. At least twice he and his partners had to disarm crazy people in the heart of DC. They could have shot them as they had special “shoot to kill” powers due to their special protection missions of government facilities and personnel. They didn’t. They knew how to take down the threats without shooting at all (the suspects had knives, not guns).
In Iraq, my son had to kill Islamic mujahedeen fanatics who often attacks our troops using women and children as human shields. Sometimes our men held their fire and hunkered down until the threat left or was killed by other units.
Sometimes my son and his unit just took the bastard out (M249’s, and once by an M1 Abrams tank).
There is a real world of lunatics out there, which some people claim do not exist, or which they blame on Trump/Bush, or which they downplay as “political gamesmanship” for votes.
Like a drug/alcohol addict, if you don’t admit that you have a problem, then nothing can be done for you. Either you live and die in the illusion of “normalcy”, or you begin to face it and come to grips with it.
When I was an archaeologist in Guatemala, we could face, in the jungle, at least four lethal threats - poisonous spiders; poisonous snakes - Fer De Lance, the land equivalent of the Coral King snake, and boa constrictors; jaguars; and scorpions. I saw 3 of the 4 out in the boonies.
You can believe that all of us carried a knife, machete, spear-like staff and a snake-bit kit (I did for our team).
In So. Vietnam and Cambodia, as a journalist, I did not carry a weapon but my interpreters, escorts, and hosts all did. The threats out in the boonies there were real and deadly.
None of us were so stupid as to existentalize the threats. We realized that they were real, present, and deadly. And prepared for them.
Those who try to do a Freudian analysis on the urban ills of our major cities do so at their peril. Some “threats” are from people who cannot be viewed as rational, as being someone you can negotiate with, and whose hatred is a justifiable reason for their actions.
The “real world” demands “reality” views, not armchair analyses, though the latter can be helpful to some degree. The best psychologists are those whose first job was as a street cop. They had been in “reality”. They had to deal with “reality”, and they had to deal with “real nutcases”.
This weekend we lost three law enforcement officers who were murdered, at least one by designed ambush. That is one helluva way to end the year for their families. No psychobabble excuses or political analysis is going to stop the pain.
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