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Want to prepay property taxes to beat federal tax overhaul? Here's what we've learned
Syracuse.com ^ | 22 Dec 17 | Michelle Breidenbach

Posted on 12/24/2017 4:21:04 AM PST by SkyPilot

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To: SkyPilot

““I’m getting swamped with many, many calls, usually one an hour,..”

Wow! One call a hour./sarc


21 posted on 12/24/2017 5:22:43 AM PST by Beagle8U (Wake up and smell the Covfef)
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To: RebelTXRose
True, but on principle I am opposed to any measure that taxes the same income twice. In theory, you can be subject to a tax rate in excess of 100%.

The easiest way to get around these stupid tax provisions is to buy a relative's house in the same state and sell your home to that same relative. Pay rent to each other through LLCs that you establish for each property. You will be able to deduct all of your property taxes and maintenance costs, along with depreciation on the property as well.

I wouldn't be surprised if CPAs for wealthy homeowners in some of these high-tax states are cooking up schemes like this already.

22 posted on 12/24/2017 5:35:59 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Tell them to stand!" -- President Trump, 9/23/2017)
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To: Beagle8U

Hey that’s a lot for government. Remember, you have to squeeze in multiple coffee breaks, porn streaming, personal shopping, and chitchatting with cube neighbors in that hour too.


23 posted on 12/24/2017 5:38:13 AM PST by NohSpinZone (First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers)
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To: Beagle8U

It’s upsetting. Pause the video, answer the phone, talk to the idiot taxpayer, restart the video...


24 posted on 12/24/2017 5:38:57 AM PST by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: NohSpinZone; palmer

Yeah, and when you figure they may to work 7 hour days...?Brutal.


25 posted on 12/24/2017 5:42:51 AM PST by Beagle8U (Wake up and smell the Covfef)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter; Scotswife
The Standard Deduction was not doubled. No, the Personnel Exemption was removed as a separate item and included with the Standard Deduction. For many families the Personnel Exemption was $8,300 and the Standard Deduction was $13,000 for a total of $21,300. Many families will get an 11% increase in their Standard Deduction in the new tax law.

Unfortunately, you are correct.

26 posted on 12/24/2017 5:44:56 AM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

“The Standard Deduction was not doubled. No, the Personnel Exemption was removed as a separate item and included with the Standard Deduction.”

Twisted logic.


27 posted on 12/24/2017 5:45:56 AM PST by TexasGator (Z)
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To: grania
I believe so. More info here:

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/22/the-gop-tax-overhaul-kept-this-1300-tax-break-for-seniors.html

28 posted on 12/24/2017 5:46:57 AM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: Night Hides Not

Did you read the article?


29 posted on 12/24/2017 5:49:27 AM PST by TexasGator (Z)
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To: SkyPilot

“The bill will no longer allow taxpayers to deduct more than $10,000 in state and local income and property taxes from their federal income taxes.”

That may be the best portion of the Trump Tax Cut but that number should have been reduced to $5,000 or even $1,000.


30 posted on 12/24/2017 5:49:47 AM PST by Joe Dallas
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To: Raycpa
Irs already ruled Rev. Rul. 71-190, 1971-1 ..only a good faith estimate of 2017 tax is deductible in 2017.

Thanks. So what does a "good faith estimate" entail?

If people have "faith" that their 2018 property tax bill is going to be $XX,XXX, would that suffice?

I am guess you will weigh in with no, but it appears the IRS needs to be more forthcoming with information. They need to issue very clear guidelines - now.

31 posted on 12/24/2017 5:49:58 AM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: Raycpa
Information here:

https://www.mwe.com/en/thought-leadership/publications/2017/12/new-salt-implications-proposed-tax-reform-bills

The repeal of the deduction for state and local income taxes would be effective for tax years beginning in 2018. This raises the question of whether individual taxpayers should consider prepaying part, or even all, of their predicted 2018 state income tax liability in 2017 so as to get a federal deduction for the payment. It would be one thing to prepay in 2017 a state estimated income tax payment that is due on April 15, 2018, but could this be pushed farther? Could a taxpayer prepay his or her entire predicted 2018 state income tax liability in 2017 and get a deduction for it in 2017? Could the IRS challenge such a position based on a general argument that it would distort the taxpayer’s liability? The IRS has not addressed this issue in published guidance, but rulings suggest that a cash-basis taxpayer can deduct state income taxes when paid if the payments are based on a reasonable estimate of tax liability (Rev. Rul. 71-190, 1971-1 C.B. 70; Rev. Rul. 82-208, 1982-2 C.B. 58). Section 461 of the Internal Revenue Code, which generally addresses the timing of deductions, would not seem to apply to this situation. Of course, prepaying state or local income taxes could be done only if it were permitted by the laws of the applicable jurisdiction.

32 posted on 12/24/2017 5:52:34 AM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: TexasGator; Presbyterian Reporter
What Presbyterian Reporter is saying is that the "doubling" of the Standard Deduction is not double, because they entirely eliminated the Personal Exemption. In some cases, families will owe more.

Why the GOP tax plan's big boost in the standard deduction won't be a windfall for some average Americans


33 posted on 12/24/2017 5:56:17 AM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: SkyPilot

For every hundred dollars in taxes you deduct, how much does that reduce your taxes?


34 posted on 12/24/2017 5:58:12 AM PST by raybbr (That progressive bumper sticker on your car might just as well say, "Yes, I'm THAT stupid!")
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To: frnewsjunkie
Back when I still had to escrow I got a 1099 that told the interest and property taxes paid in the previous year.

I tried to do this, but my tax due in February isn't posted yet.

35 posted on 12/24/2017 6:00:46 AM PST by KarlInOhio (The Whig Party died when it fled the great fight of its century. Ditto for the Republicans now.)
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To: RebelTXRose
Because there has been no limit on these deductions, folks in these states don’t mind paying those taxes to the state. Maybe it’s time they start caring how much they are being taxed.

That's not true that people "don't care." For instance, one of the chief reasons Chris Christie was elected (twice) in NJ was because he finally put a cap on property tax raises, which had gone bananas during the administrations of Florio, McGreevy, and Corzine.

But what people in states like NY and elsewhere face is an IRS on the Federal level that is merciless, and states and local governments on the other that are tone deaf. People are being squeezed.

I love it when people post: "Well, why do you just get them to lower taxes?"

Sure, I'll drain the oceans while I am at it.

36 posted on 12/24/2017 6:01:07 AM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: raybbr
For every hundred dollars in taxes you deduct, how much does that reduce your taxes?

Very good question.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2011/04/20/how-much-is-your-tax-deduction-worth/#4185dd593b17

There is a difference between a tax credit (a dollar-for-dollar reduction of tax) and a tax deduction (to calculate how much a deduction is worth you must know your marginal tax rate).

37 posted on 12/24/2017 6:04:54 AM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: SkyPilot

I agree with you and add that present itemizers may get hit .... but that is not what he was saying.


38 posted on 12/24/2017 6:07:31 AM PST by TexasGator (Z)
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To: Raycpa

“”In CT we can pay our 2017 tax in 2 installments. One is due in July, the other is due in January””

I wondered about that when an earlier post mentioned the last installment isn’t due until NEXT YEAR. I’ve never lived in a state where property taxes aren’t due and paid in the same year - maybe a couple of months apart but here in GA, 100% is due in October...

Doesn’t this change pertain to disallowing anything OVER $10,000? I don’t know about the majority of posters but that’s a lot of property tax so how many people pay even close to $10,000 per year, let alone OVER $10,000? IMO if they are in that category, why are they complaining? Apparently money isn’t a problem...


39 posted on 12/24/2017 6:07:42 AM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: SkyPilot
Having dealt with the IRS in gray areas, I seriously doubt they will make a determination before April 15, 2018 *but* they have no reservation about making their determination retroactive. People who do this may find themselves amending their tax return should the IRS disallow this.
40 posted on 12/24/2017 6:09:56 AM PST by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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