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To: Krosan

>You have bought Russia propaganda about Russian speaking supposedly meaning anti-Ukraine. The situation there is a bit like in Ireland. Someone being an English speaker does not mean they are against the Republic of Ireland.

No, I looked at who voted for the president that was overthrown and where Maiden protests happened. It was pretty obvious that the eastern Russian speaking half the country had been disenfranchised by the coup. You’re the one regurgitating propaganda made to order by the Obama state department.

Do you recall the endless media lies told about Trump? I watched the same thing happen to the Eastern Ukraine rebels. This was the first conflict where major news accounts could be cross-referenced with social media videos and I and others found that the western news accounts where largely lies and misrepresentations. Of course, the facts on the ground that the rebels were not trying to advance on and overthrow the government in Kiev should have been enough to prove to any reasonable person that western media accounts about the Russian invasion was a fantasy.

An actual Russian invasion would have overthrown the Kiev government after the multiple victories in the east. But each time the rebels won (6 times if I recall correctly), the Kiev government pulled back without being pursued, the rebels stopped advancing, the Kiev government got another IMF loan from the US, and then built a new army and tried to invade again. The action in the east was a defensive action, not the invasion the media headlines screamed. If they lied about that, shouldn’t that make one wonder what else they lied about?


30 posted on 12/24/2017 3:28:27 AM PST by JohnyBoy (The GOP Senate is intentionally trying to lose the majority.)
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To: JohnyBoy

There are regional voting patterns in Ukraine with east being a bit more leftist, but Yanukovich did not campaign on giving Ukrainian lands to Russia, so no one has voted for this. He in fact campaigned promising to make the EU trade deal and when he turned 180 the protests started. As for the “rebels” and their huge army with 500 tanks and thousands of artillery pieces all supplied for years - it is obviously Russian army.


31 posted on 12/24/2017 4:07:37 AM PST by Krosan
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